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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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It matters less than before. The US is no longer the dominant force it used to be in the 1950s, and the UK (which was part of the anti-Mossadegh plot) is completely gone from the world stage. The world of 2026 cannot be reduced to a CIA/Mossad theatre where everyone else is a NPC and must suffer whatever they cook up there. Other people have agency and do their things. EU, India, China, Iran, Russia, Qatar, all influ…

Well, whatever you'd like to believe, of course.

When it comes to value for money/size, Qatar alone has a lot more influence than the US. Recently it forced the EU to relax its ESG standards in exchange for gas imports.

Sure some people love to live in the past, but it is not the past anymore, of course.

Trump chickening out of every world confrontation is a nice example of the diminishing capability of the US to bend the rest of the world to its will. US can probably keep its influence in Latin America, but in the Old World, the balance of power has shifted.

Is Trump de facto more powerful than Mohammad bin Salman? IDK.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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How can I be sure that you aren't a bot or vice versa?

Don't worry, you're not the only person who can't answer this question. Nobody can, that I know of.

I don't worry much here, given that HN isn't a very lucrative space to infest with bots. We will hold out for a few years here.

I am no longer on Facebook or Twitter/X, where that question is very relevant.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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I can’t even imagine how this could be done. Nazi concentration camps would have had trouble killing that many in 2 days.

At its peak i think (based on googling) the nazis killed about 14,000 per day, which would put it in a similar ball park on a per-day basis. However they kept up the level of killing and didn't stop after just a few days. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/2846/

In Babi Yar, over two days, 33,771 Jews were killed, and this was prior to the 'peak' in Operation Reinhard:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar

The Nazis were still killing people in other places at the same time, so the deadliest day is probably much much higher.

The scale of the Holocaust is hard to imagine. Even just looking at very specific suranmes, there are 23,000 killed with the surname Rosenberg, 12,000 with the surname Adler...

https://collections.yadvashem.org/en/names/search-results-na...

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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What makes you think the CIA/Mossad fundamentally operate differently today? Oh btw, since we're on the topic of false flags: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

Because of the sheer incompetence and cruelty of the islamic regime I wonder if Mossad even need to do anything at this point. Islamic regime is doing their work for them to upset the population and destabilize the country. Did you think that running a dictatorship is a stable endeavor? No foreign intervention even needed when you build your house on sand.

IIRC Iran suffered from the worst brain drain in the world. That alone would doom the ayatollahs in the long term.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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IHR is CIA-backed, and are thus prone to inflate these counts to justify an invasion.

> IHR is CIA-backed Can you provide us with any evidence of that?

According to this right-leaning source (Revealed: The CIA-Backed NGOs Fueling the Iran Protests - https://ronpaulinstitute.org/revealed-the-cia-backed-ngos-fu...):

Most of the human rights organisation in Iran, cited heavily by western media, are backed by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which some countries (and some right-wing political organisations) believe is used by the CIA (if not funded and a front for it). Human Rights Activists in Iran is based in Fairfax, Virginia (where the CIA HQ is). (Apparently, they've received up to a million dollars in funding from the NED). The Abdorrahman Boroumand Center for Human Rights in Iran (ABCHRI) has also been associated with the NED. The Center for Human Rights in Iran (CHRI) is also based in New York City and Washington, D.C, and also funded by the NED (according to the Chinese).

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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This is a tragedy. I'm very against foreign forces intervening in such situations they can do more harm than good. On the other hand, effective dictatorships (hell executive in democratic countries too) are good at controlling police and military. E.g. take Belarus when it went through a wave of protests few years ago. I always think, if the people would really be against the regime, wouldn't members of the police an…

> Which means that either there is no such an internal pressure or the regimes are extraordinarily good at selecting and incentivizing people to maintain the status quo.

It depends a lot on how much power the people have. The more advanced and diverse an economy and the more qualified and educated the population are the more power they have. On one extreme you have countries like Angola with an economy consisting virtually only out of exporting oil. These countries only need a few qualified engineers for their resource extraction which they pay well and everyone else is entirely replaceable. That leads to extreme inequality between the leading political class that absorbs all the money and pays the military with it. As long as they pay and treat the military well enough they can just suppress the rest of the country. If people act up they can literally just kill everyone part of the rebellion. The political class, the military and the rest are just entirely disjunct classes of people with different incentives. The family of the militaries profit enough from the system to not excert pressure on their family member working for the military. It's the hand that feeds them.

On the other end you have countries with highly developed, specialized economies and a population that is educated enough to understand at least a few things about politics. There ordinary people have extensive training and work experience. You cannot just replace them. They can protest and go on strike and if you start killing everyone the economy will quickly start crashing down. Just pulling a few cogs out of the massively complex machine will stop it from working. And at that point it's not just a problem for the working population but also for the owning class and the pressure will propagate all the way up through the hierarchy. Also people can just leave. They have the economic means to and their qualifications mean that other countries have an interest in attracting already qualified people without having to pay for their education and traning first. That's what happened to east Germany and why they built the wall.

There are some methods of social control that can help to control a population beyond that. The key ingredient is surveillance, mutual control and seeding distrust. One person alone can never challenge the system. People need to organize. You can try to find the organizers via surveillance quick enough and get rid of them before they get dangerous. Also if a significant portion of the population is secretly informing the government people might be to afraid to organize as they distrust each other. That's how the Stasi worked in East Germany. For an extreme case of that see the Inminban[1] system in North Korea where people are bundled into groups where all surveil each other and report any dissident behavior. Failing to do so will lead to collective punishment for the whole group. It's a really perverse system that plays people against each other and their own interest aligning the incentives for the individual with the government rather than their class.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inminban

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?

People have been protesting in the UK.

Fourteen arrested after protest at Iranian embassy: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3g8glgxvo

Protester climbs on to balcony of Iranian embassy in London: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy09yvd57x2o

Silent protestors gather in solidarity with Iran: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4g1me23x7o

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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> IHR is CIA-backed Can you provide us with any evidence of that?

According to this right-leaning source ( Revealed: The CIA-Backed NGOs Fueling the Iran Protests - https://ronpaulinstitute.org/revealed-the-cia-backed-ngos-fu... ): Most of the human rights organisation in Iran, cited heavily by western media, are backed by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which some countries (and some right-wing political organisations) believe is used by the CIA (if not funded and a fr…

They are right to ask for a source. I should provide them more often, if possible with statements coming straight out of the horse's mouth. These days, our politicians are so cocky they tend to announce to the whole world their conspiracies.
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