The source (Iran International) is backed by Saudi money and has a bias to dunk on Iran. That said, I'm sure the death count numbers from the Rasht Massacre are staggeringly higher than the initial tallies of 2-5k.
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#292I'm very against foreign forces intervening in such situations they can do more harm than good.
On the other hand, effective dictatorships (hell executive in democratic countries too) are good at controlling police and military.
E.g. take Belarus when it went through a wave of protests few years ago. I always think, if the people would really be against the regime, wouldn't members of the police and military know that?
Receive pressure from families and friends, even non direct one, clearly showing that the public thinks otherwise and they can easily topple those regimes? The moment your armed forces and police stops obeying orders those regimes are cooked. Yet they don't.
Which means that either there is no such an internal pressure or the regimes are extraordinarily good at selecting and incentivizing people to maintain the status quo.
Still, I think this is no excuse for foreign intervention and you should not do others what you don't wish on yourself. But at the same time if those regimes are indeed so effective, how do you get to help them?
I wish that at least instead of unilaterally, drastic measures were first sanctioned and carried out by UN, like it used to happen few decades ago in Africa.
But now it is always unilateral and stuff like what happened in Venezuela has been a tragedy imho where de facto a single country decides to topple the leadership of another one. Again, I don't wish we do what we don't wish for ourselves.
And I wouldn't want my country attacked and it's leadership decimated because somebody more powerful thinks so.
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#293I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?
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#294The Wall Street Journal says at least 10,000 people were killed: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/irans-protest-crackdow... Horrifying.
Towards the end it says.. Amiry-Moghaddam of Iran Human Rights said the death toll could be higher than 20,000, based on evidence reviewed by his organization.
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#295How is this possible without explosives? Even with vehicle mounted machine guns it seems like a crazy high number. Did the protestors get boxed in somehow? And across so many locations, that seems to require a crazy amount of coordination to kill so many in so little time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre 400-1500 civilian deaths by 50 British soldiers armed with bolt action rifles (tried to get machine guns on site but thankfully couldn't)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Severloh Possibly single handedly killed an hard to estimate count of US soldier, but possibly in the hundreds (he had people supplying him ammunitions).
Crowds are just easy to thin with repeating firearms and a good supply of ammo...
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#296That's crazy. That's like ~40% of the deaths in the current gaza war, except over just 2 days instead of 2 years.
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#297I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?
Protesting in your country against an enemy country that has been subjected already to all kinds of sanctions and military attacks makes little sense.
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#300I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?