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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#292
This is a tragedy.

I'm very against foreign forces intervening in such situations they can do more harm than good.

On the other hand, effective dictatorships (hell executive in democratic countries too) are good at controlling police and military.

E.g. take Belarus when it went through a wave of protests few years ago. I always think, if the people would really be against the regime, wouldn't members of the police and military know that?

Receive pressure from families and friends, even non direct one, clearly showing that the public thinks otherwise and they can easily topple those regimes? The moment your armed forces and police stops obeying orders those regimes are cooked. Yet they don't.

Which means that either there is no such an internal pressure or the regimes are extraordinarily good at selecting and incentivizing people to maintain the status quo.

Still, I think this is no excuse for foreign intervention and you should not do others what you don't wish on yourself. But at the same time if those regimes are indeed so effective, how do you get to help them?

I wish that at least instead of unilaterally, drastic measures were first sanctioned and carried out by UN, like it used to happen few decades ago in Africa.

But now it is always unilateral and stuff like what happened in Venezuela has been a tragedy imho where de facto a single country decides to topple the leadership of another one. Again, I don't wish we do what we don't wish for ourselves.

And I wouldn't want my country attacked and it's leadership decimated because somebody more powerful thinks so.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#293

I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?

There probably isn't the same awareness. This is the first I'm hearing of a massacre in Iran. It's so hard to keep up with the news these days and for many it's just recommended to avoid it because it's all outrage generation now. The EU has been massively occupied with threats to invade Greenland for the past month along with the subsequent media attention, so that has saturated the news cycle.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#294
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The Wall Street Journal says at least 10,000 people were killed: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/irans-protest-crackdow... Horrifying.

Towards the end it says.. Amiry-Moghaddam of Iran Human Rights said the death toll could be higher than 20,000, based on evidence reviewed by his organization.

With such a large difference between these estimates, it makes 36500 seem suspiciously precise. Comes across like a significant digit violation.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#295

How is this possible without explosives? Even with vehicle mounted machine guns it seems like a crazy high number. Did the protestors get boxed in somehow? And across so many locations, that seems to require a crazy amount of coordination to kill so many in so little time.

Datapoints :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre 400-1500 civilian deaths by 50 British soldiers armed with bolt action rifles (tried to get machine guns on site but thankfully couldn't)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Severloh Possibly single handedly killed an hard to estimate count of US soldier, but possibly in the hundreds (he had people supplying him ammunitions).

Crowds are just easy to thin with repeating firearms and a good supply of ammo...

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#297

I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?

Because the far worse Palestine massacre was perpetrated by an ally of the West, defended by western politicians and opinion makers, financed with western money and armed with western weapons. Then it makes sense to protest against your country's complicity.

Protesting in your country against an enemy country that has been subjected already to all kinds of sanctions and military attacks makes little sense.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#299
Be aware that all this might be the usual propaganda campaign that precedes US's "regime change" wars to make them appear as justified and necessary to the general public. This has been done so many times now that it's incredible people keep falling for it.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

#300

I really don’t understand why in the West there is nobody in the streets to protest but there was so many people for Palestine… Where are the people?

Because the western governments support Israel, thus a protests' goal is mainly aimed at changing that. How many westerns governments support Iran?
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