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Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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I don't know about categories overall, but I'm attached to my iPad and won't switch to Android in part because Affinity is not available there, nor is there any near equivalent as far as I can tell. I still think Overcast is nicer to use than Antenna Pod. Microsoft Office apps work much better on iDevices, in my experience. (I know they exist for Android, but I've never had much luck editing there, where it actually…

how do you live without ublock on your browser though? firefox with adblock is the high quality youtube app

I use the AdGuard extension just like I do on macOS Safari. It works perfectly fine for removing ads.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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post #377

I take the opportunity to let people know that there are alternatives to Google/Apple duopoly on mobile. Link: https://www.ubuntu-touch.io/ Sure, GrapheneOS is often suggested but Ubuntu Touch is a really interesting alternative, their own store and ecosystem. The community is amazing and welcoming. If there are Android apps which you can't do without, they can be emulated and used anyway. Imagine switching to Linux…

I have struggled with getting anything functional on a Fairphone running Ubuntu Touch. The problem is you can't really run any Linux app, it has to be written to support their specific display manager. Running regular Linux apps is possible but not properly documented and I haven't gotten it to work. Android apps through Waydroid sort of works, but is unstable and not suitable for daily use. I really want Linux on mo…

I work at Furi Labs; and am writing this comment from my FLX1 daily driver. Let me know what you think when you give it a shot :)

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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I don't see any iOS advantage with the apps anymore. That was maybe true in the very beginning, during the gold rush time of the app store. But not since then. In which category are there better iOS apps? Browsers? No, strictly worse. Youtube app? No, worse. Texting? Worse or equal (Whatsapp). Podcast client? I assume worse, since there is no Antenna Pod. Social media apps? The iOS variants of those apps are afaik in…

There's a saying in mobile development that in most companies the Android version of the app is a second class citizen. It usually brings substantially less money and so less money are invested in it. As a result the Android team is often understaffed and the app is almost always behind in feature development, less polished and with overall worse UX and more bugs compared to the iOS app. Also iOS still has a communit…

The indie dev market is a flip flop, I have seen many great apps only available on android as well.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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I can be a user separate from being a developer. The user experience of Safari is basically perfect for a browser. The development experience is completely irrelevant from that perspective.

> The user experience of Safari is basically perfect for a browser. This is such a wild, absolute statement it's not even worth discussing this with you anymore.

I mean… what do you want me to do, list problems I don’t have with it? As a user of the app, Safari fades completely into the background for me, I don’t know what else I could ask for from a browser.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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post #134

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> iOS apps tend to be more stable, better polished It's been a while since I was last using Android, but first-party Apple apps no longer meet my standards for "polished". e.g. type this sequence into the calculator: [2] [-] [4] [=] [x²] [=] The answer should not be negative, but the app says "-4". The desktop Contacts app has been putting invisible LTR and RTL codes around phone numbers for years now, breaking web f…

-4 makes sense if you understand that the input -2 is a unary minus operation. So typing -2 then hitting square only squares 2, not (-2). This is the same in eg Python so I'm not sure it's very controversial. I agree it's unexpected, though.

Python gets it right:

    >>> 2-4
    -2
    >>> _**2
    4

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about categories overall, but I'm attached to my iPad and won't switch to Android in part because Affinity is not available there, nor is there any near equivalent as far as I can tell. I still think Overcast is nicer to use than Antenna Pod. Microsoft Office apps work much better on iDevices, in my experience. (I know they exist for Android, but I've never had much luck editing there, where it actually…

how do you live without ublock on your browser though? firefox with adblock is the high quality youtube app

As a mobile Firefox with ublocker user I'm not sure I would call it high quality. I regularly have to force stop it to get pages to load properly. I suspect it might be the hostile google based os at fault but not sure

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

> Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. No Aux port, no usb. Slow phone with slow animations. But maybe this is fixed, its been 10 years. >Apple has higher consumer trust. lmao, this is just a user error problem. None have trust. If they trust, yikes. Thats a negative that Apple can brainwash people. >Apple has better app selection (for most people). Solid no here. Being able to install stuff from fdroid is…

> No Aux port, no usb. Slow phone with slow animations. But maybe this is fixed, its been 10 years.

It has been 10 years and none of this is true today, also the average person doesn’t care about an aux port.

> Solid no here. Being able to install stuff from fdroid is amazing.

Not sure if you’re serious here, the app selection is far better on the App Store (and also Google Play Store) due to the nature of not being restricted to purely FOSS apps.

> You forgot to mention how poor iPhone security is.

Citation needed, iOS has the second best mobile security and is at worst equivalent to stock Android. The only OS that surpasses iOS by a large amount is GrapheneOS.

> People have died due to Apple's poor security.

This could also be said for any other OS/maker? Nothing is 100% secure/private.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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post #377

I take the opportunity to let people know that there are alternatives to Google/Apple duopoly on mobile. Link: https://www.ubuntu-touch.io/ Sure, GrapheneOS is often suggested but Ubuntu Touch is a really interesting alternative, their own store and ecosystem. The community is amazing and welcoming. If there are Android apps which you can't do without, they can be emulated and used anyway. Imagine switching to Linux…

I have struggled with getting anything functional on a Fairphone running Ubuntu Touch. The problem is you can't really run any Linux app, it has to be written to support their specific display manager. Running regular Linux apps is possible but not properly documented and I haven't gotten it to work. Android apps through Waydroid sort of works, but is unstable and not suitable for daily use. I really want Linux on mo…

there is also jolla, their new device is supposed to be shipping this year

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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I wish the EU would step up and bring sideloading on iOS. iPhone hardware is great but the software is severely lackluster. I know a few developers there and they are not exceptional by any means. Chiefly because Apple pays much less than their competition so they do not attract the best talent

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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And why are those not sufficient for Android?

This is not a theoretical issue. It’s a major problem is several countries, the governments are getting involved.

Yes, but governments are getting involved because governments always like increasing control and reducing freedom; the "major problem" is merely a pretext.
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