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Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

This isn't about pure revenue, it's about scams. Android has a reputation for being unsafe precisely because of sideloading (as well as low Google Play fees, looser app review, accessibility services and remote access). This policy is bad for us HNers, but objectively good for the 95+% of people who will never sideload a legitimate Android app, but are extremely likely to get caught by scammers. The heavy US skew of…

For example:

  To resolve the problem, scammers would deceive the victims into downloading a malicious app, in an Android Package Kit (APK) file format, sent through WhatsApp.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/android-users-lose-2-...

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I'm with Google on this one. Idiots and old people (the public) use these devices daily. These are the very same people that send money to Nigerian royalty and expect to hear back about a great reward. This is mostly a CYA move with hard data behind it. If they completely removed side load, that would be a different story.

I don’t think calling people who don’t really understand computer security a can be tricked “stupid” is fair or helpful. Designing a product so that almost all of it’s intended users can operate it safely seems like the right decision.

How is it unfair? Are you assuming only intelligent people use Android?

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I don't know about categories overall, but I'm attached to my iPad and won't switch to Android in part because Affinity is not available there, nor is there any near equivalent as far as I can tell. I still think Overcast is nicer to use than Antenna Pod. Microsoft Office apps work much better on iDevices, in my experience. (I know they exist for Android, but I've never had much luck editing there, where it actually…

how do you live without ublock on your browser though? firefox with adblock is the high quality youtube app

safari has ublock now.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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In what manner do they extract less data

Unless you're running Graphene or a similar security minded distro the sandboxing isn't very good. Okay let's be honest it's fairly abysmal at preventing fingerprinting. It could almost be accused of not even bothering to try. But one example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43518866

> Unless you're running Graphene or a similar security minded distro the sandboxing isn't very good. Okay let's be honest it's fairly abysmal at preventing fingerprinting.

Hmm... the sandboxing is a security feature, it's not there to prevent tracking (not sure what "fingerprinting" includes here). The sandboxing of Android is actually pretty good (a lot better than, say, desktop OSes).

There is pretty much nothing you can do against an app requesting e.g. your location data and sending it to their servers. Fundamentally, the whole goal of apps is that they can technically do that. Then you have to choose apps you trust, and it's easier to trust open source apps.

What GrapheneOS brings in terms of sandboxing is that the Play Services run sandboxed like normal apps. Whereas on Android, the Play Services run with system permissions.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Sideloading is a neologism to scare users and lawmakers, it just means "Installing software" and should be a basic right. Also software installation in Android has been high friction for a while. Installing an APK on my phone is at least 10 clicks.

I think what is missing here is the growing trend of scammers convincing people they are their bank (or whatever) and walking them through enabling side-loading and then installing malware (sometimes to address some urgent security issues with their account). This is meant to counter an actual issues that is affecting many many users.

> This is meant to counter an actual issues that is affecting many many users.

No, that's an excuse. Google just wants a tighter grip on their software chain, which is understandable if they were Apple but they're not.

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It seems basically impossible that math works differently on your calculator app than somebody else’s. Can you post a recording of what you’re seeing?

https://vimeo.com/1158174682?share=copy&fl=sv&fe=ci

What iOS version is that? It seems odd that the UI does not match what I see.

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Good for you? The fact this happens on my versions of both MacOS and iOS means they didn't have automated tests covering this from day one. Famously, "it works for me" is not how high quality software happens.

It seems basically impossible that math works differently on your calculator app than somebody else’s. Can you post a recording of what you’re seeing?

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This has been going on since the Internet became widespread and Windows users started regularly downloading random executables from random websites.

And many things have been done, including Windows telling you in bold red letters that this software is dangerous if it wasn't signed by a trusted signer with lots of installs.

And why are those not sufficient for Android?

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I agree with the thrust of the GP comment but: > The IOS versions of social media apps extract way less data from the device than on android, and is thus more privacy friendly. I seriously doubt this. I agree that this is the perception but anyone working in the mobile space on both platforms for the past ~2 years will know Google is a lot more hard nosed in reviewing apps for privacy concerns than Apple these days (…

Last time I tried Android I had to sign my rights away to everything the app wanted just to install it. In contrast, on iOS I get prompted to allow or deny access to my information when the app tries calling Apple’s API to fetch that information. For example, if an app wants access to my contacts to find other people using the app. On iOS I can simply say “no” when it prompts me to allow it to read my contacts. I los…

> Last time I tried Android I had to sign my rights away to everything the app wanted just to install it.

Sounds like it was years ago... I remember that it was being introduced like... more than a decade ago? Of course maybe it took longer than iOS because of how Android works. iOS can just force everybody to use liquid glass with one update, Android has to think more about backward compatibility.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about categories overall, but I'm attached to my iPad and won't switch to Android in part because Affinity is not available there, nor is there any near equivalent as far as I can tell. I still think Overcast is nicer to use than Antenna Pod. Microsoft Office apps work much better on iDevices, in my experience. (I know they exist for Android, but I've never had much luck editing there, where it actually…

how do you live without ublock on your browser though? firefox with adblock is the high quality youtube app

i just use Brave for iOS. I use the setting to block Youtube shorts, default to old.reddit, block ads and annoyances, etc.
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