Looks like an elegant solution. And yes, demographics are useful for advertising.
Our approach to age prediction
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#62When we look at how fast and coordinated the rollout of age verification has been around the globe, it's hard not to wonder if there was some impetus behind it. There are dark sides to the rollout that EFF details in their resource hub: https://www.eff.org/issues/age-verification There is a confluence of surveillance capitalism and a global shift towards authoritarianism that makes it particularly alarming right now.
Agreed - Interesting that these systems inevitably involve proving you're a citizen in some way, which seems unnecessary if your goal is to try to figure out someone's age.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe we don’t all need saving from ourselves. Maybe we need to grow up and have some personal responsibility. As someone who is happy to do that, seeing personal freedom endlessly slashed in the name of safety is tiresome. My feelings have absolutely nothing to do with censorship. That’s just an easy straw man for you to try and dismiss my point of view, because you’re scared of not feeling safe.
Cool, I'd like you to make a commercial system you sell access to and ensure that it is unsafe. I'll represent the injured and we'll own all your corporate assets, and like will pierce the corporate veil due to your wonton behavior.
What are you on about? Laws are a codification of social norms. I’m not suggesting anything outside of existing social norms. Quite the opposite, I’m suggesting we stop changing them.
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#64They're trying to make ChatGPT more attractive to advertisers.
I hope Anthropic or someone pulls an Apple and has the taste to say no to ads. Maybe it will just be Apple. (Even their resistance is slowly fading..)
We don't need to jam ads into every orifice.
I hope there's more value to be had not doing ads than there is to include them. I'd cancel my codex/chatgpt/claude if someone planted the flag.
OpenAI seems to think it has infinite trust to burn.
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#65Does regulators really care about a predicted age? I feel like they require hard proof of being above age to show explicit content. The only ones that care about predicted age is advertisers.
Any proof that you are above a certain age will also expose you identity.
That is the only reason regulators care about children safety online, because they care about ID.
LLMs are very good at profiling users in hacker news and finding alt accounts, for example. profiling is the best use case for llms.
So there you go, maybe it wont give exactly what regulators say they want, but it will give exactly what they truly want.
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#66Let's be honest - to protect the children, big tech will put everyone under the suspicion of being one. And the issue is not how they use the technologies they have, because they have a moral responsibility to do it safely, but that we don't have technologies of hours.
What I wonder lately is how an adult person can be empowered by tech to bare the consequences of their action and the answer usually is that we cannot. We don''t have the means of production in the literal marxist definition of the phrase and we are being shaped by outside forces that define what we can do with ourselves. And it does not matter if those forces are benevolent or not, it matters that it is not us.
The winter is coming and we are short on thermal underware.
The chinese open models being reason for hope is just a very sad joke.
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#67I just asked ChatGPT. "Based on everything I've asked, how old do you think I am?" It was dead-on with its answer. It guessed 30-35. I'm 32. That was just a spur-of-the-moment question. I've been using ChatGPT for over six months now.
But did it tell on what basis it made that assumption?
Yes, it listed a few of my past questions as reference points. I had asked some questions about Nintendo 64/Dreamcast and Gamecube games. It also used information I had asked it about programming languages and some work-related questions to guess my age.
I don't know how OpenAI plans to do this going forward, just quickly read the article and figured that might be a good question to ask ChatGPT.
Edit: I just followed that up with, "Based on everything I've asked, what gender am I?" It refused to answer, stating it wouldn't assume my gender and treats me as gender neutral.
So I guess it's ok for an AI agent to assume your age, but not your gender... ?
I don't really feel like diving into the ethics of OpenAI at the moment lol.
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#68How long before a phrase is found that causes a predicted birthdate of 1970/01/01 ?
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#69Everyone's saying this is for advertising, but I don't think it is. It's so they can let ChatGPT sext with adults.
Do you expect the data collected for age verification will be completely separate from the advertising apparatus? I would expect the incentives would align for this to enhance their advertising options.
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#70I think this is good. I've been very aggressive toward OpenAI on here about parental controls and youth protection, and I have to say the recent work is definitely more than I expected out of them.
This is a thoughtful response and deserves discussion. Yes, certainly, OpenAI might get your age wrong. Yes, certainly, they’re signaling to advertisers. But consider OPs point — ChatGPT has become a safety-critical system. It is a tool capable of pushing a human towards terrible actions, and there are documented cases of it doing this. In that context, what is the responsibility of OpenAI to keep their product away…
> It is a tool capable of pushing a human towards terrible actions
So is Catcher In The Rye and Birth of a Nation.
> the most vulnerable, and the most easily influenced
How exactly is age an indicator of vulnerability or subject-to-influence?