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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

pas wrote: post #436
agubelu wrote: post #353

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I'd say a couple of reasons: - The American political system has been very successful in telling its people that the only acceptable way to show discontent and enact change is by voting on elections. - Lots of people are okay with it because it can only happen to the "bad guys", and why would it ever happen to them since they're the "good guys"... right?

... yet still tens of millions of eligible voters don't even bother the country is very low-density, there's no one obvious point to protest (there was Occupy Wall Street... and then the Seattle TAZ and .... that's it, oh and the Capitol January 6th), strikes and unions are legally neutered, it's just not the American way anymore the country has a lot of experience "managing" internal unpleasantry, see the time leadi…

I think a general strike might be effective for low-density places, though that requires enough people taking part to make it truly effective. That way you don't need an obvious place to protest apart from your workplace and it'd be a non-violent protest that would definitely get the attention of the wealthy.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by willmarch »

RickJWagner wrote: post #712
willmarch wrote: post #555

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There are plenty of examples of peaceful protestors being attacked by ICE and Americans being locked up simply for not producing papers on demand.

Can you provide an example of an unambiguously peaceful protester being attacked? Id like to research one you consider a clear case.

Here are several off the top of my head with sources and videos:

Peaceful protester/protest crowd attacked:

(video) https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1qcyvqt/ice_shoo...

(video) https://www.reddit.com/r/lostgeneration/comments/1qcbpac/hug...

(video) https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/1qceoy4/shards_o...

U.S. Citizen arrested/detained for having an accent:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1qdol2a/having_an_...

In a Richfield Target, video shows federal agents detaining Target employees, including one being tackled/handcuffed while saying “I’m literally a U.S. citizen,” and they were later released:

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/richfield-target-ice-...

(video) https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qauntn/ice_kidn...

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by fourseventy »

NickC25 wrote: post #639
fourseventy wrote: post #66

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Yes. ICE has existed long before Trump and will exist after. Deportation of illegal immigrants is not a new thing.

oh please. I live by one of his golf courses. The folks there watering the course, cutting the lawn, moving the greens, and cleaning the facilities are most definitely not US citizens, most definitely are not English speakers, and I'd bet a lot of money are not valid green card holders or work visa holders. You think his courses in immigration hotbeds like New York or Southern California are any different? Fuck no th…

How do you know they are not US citizens?

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by deeg »

15155 wrote: post #697
deeg wrote: post #604

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Here is an example of ICE invading a home without a warrant, reported by Fox. [0] That is definitely against our way of life. Your list of crimes is just as prevalent in white people. Statistically immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born citizens. Undocumented immigrants commit even fewer violent crimes [1]. So if we're doing house to house searches for criminals we should start with citizens. 0 - https://www…

Not the most compelling case: > Gibson is a 38-year-old Liberian citizen, who has a final immigration removal order dating back to 2009. > Statistically immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born citizens Legal ones, yes - they have a lot to lose. Can you please cite any study positing the same for illegal immigrants?

> Not the most compelling case:

Does not matter one bit. Law enforcement may not break down doors without a warrant except in limited cases. This was not one of them. They violated the constitution and our way of life.

> Legal ones...

I'm guessing you didn't read the cite. It clearly shows that undocumented immigrants commit significantly less crime. Once you read it I'd be interested to know if it changes your opinion at all.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by fourseventy »

footy wrote: post #210
fourseventy wrote: post #66

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Yes. ICE has existed long before Trump and will exist after. Deportation of illegal immigrants is not a new thing.

ICE has only existed since 2003 which I'd argue is not "before Trump" and regardless is not a long time.

It was 13 years before Trump was president. Before ICE existed other agencies handled immigration enforcement. Everyone in this thread is acting like illegal immigrants have never been deported before Trump was elected.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by dpc050505 »

biophysboy wrote: post #377
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

To be fair, Minneapolis is raising hell and has been for the last week. There have been many protests in other cities as well. I would also say that Trump and his cronies would absolutely love if this boils over into a violent riot. That would give them permission to double down.

They'll still murder millions of you for not being fascists if you stay passive, you're just making it easier for them.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by dpc050505 »

throwaway853578 wrote: post #347
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

Because I have a kid to take care of. A job I need to keep, and a way of life I'd like to maintain. Because it's not happening where I live (yet). I care about people but I don't give a fuck about my country. It's just a place to live. If it gets too bad I'll move my family elsewhere. Also, this whole checks and balances thing we learned about in school will surely kick in sometime soon...

>If it gets too bad I'll move my family elsewhere.

They're talking about starting wars with the rest of the occidental world. There won't be a elsewhere where you'll be welcome.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by afavour »

xyzelement wrote: post #564
afavour wrote: post #488

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I don’t think data supports this. Polling has shown a lot of people who voted Republican in 2024 (Latinos especially) have snapped back again already, at least partially because of what ICE is doing. ICE are terrorizing a city and its residents no matter what their immigration status is. Even someone who strongly wishes to curb illegal immigration should have a problem with that.

I would bet that's true just on a statistical level - but my point is that plenty of people still feel that way, or at least have felt that way recently enough about the underlying problem that won't cause them to riot. There's an interesting other angle that I heard about "terrorizing a city" type thing -- there are many million illegal immigrants in the US who entered in just the last few years, when the prior admi…

> The size of the problem basically leaves no "nice" solutions that are perfectly palatable to everyone.

Why not? What is it about the presence of illegal immigrants in a place that makes terrorizing the entire population a good tradeoff? The people who live alongside these immigrants are the ones out on the street protesting so it seems to me they don't consider it a price worth paying.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by ThinkBeat »

I am pretty underwhelmed by what this tool does.

There is a list of suspects. It does not say this is sourced by Palantir, but it is at least consumed. [1]

It puts flag on a map where the list says the persons(s) may be. Based on addresses listed in government documents.

It indicates the lists ranking of importance. And whatever links to crimes done or crimes suspected of.

ICE leadership can add priority meta data to the list.

This is not 2026 hyper advanced software. And the government paying huge money for it well that is just public procurement.

I mean imagine

[1] The list itself being pulled from several data sources.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by chinathrow »

buellerbueller wrote: post #679
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #514

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>If you value your comfy life over the well being of others and the future of not only the country For people who think borders are just lines, our country as geography doesn't even exist. It's just lines. For people who think that all people are the same, everywhere, and deserve to go where they please, our country as a people doesn't exist either. So if that's your conception of a country, why should I care about i…

I believe in borders; my taxes fund my government, and not someone else's. However, there is no US-American "people" aside from the indigenous people who have been massacred. Ever since, it has always been whoever has been here.

Why do you believe in borders?
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