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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by stackghost »

andoando wrote: post #540
stackghost wrote: post #431

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I would, if people on that woodworking forum did critical work for DOGE, or Palantir, or Facebook, or Sam Altman.

Most of us don't work at those places. And besides, what does discussing technology itself have anything to do with it? If you work at big tech you're not allowed to particpate in tech forum as a hobby? We already discuss politics here as it has to do with tech (privacy is a pretty common topic here for example).

>Most of us don't work at those places.

Right, but we should be able to shame, ostracize, and criticize the people that do work at those places because if we don't then it's a tacit approval of what they do.

You know that saying about how if you have three people sharing a bench with a Nazi, you actually have four Nazis? Tech has social and political ramifications, the discussion of which is artificially suppressed on HN.

Most of the time you can't do that here. Try saying something negative about Sam Altman, for example. dang has certain topics he just won't permit and then hides behind the excuse of "if everyone is upset with you, you must be doing something right".

>If you work at big tech you're not allowed to particpate in tech forum as a hobby?

I don't understand what you mean, can you please clarify?

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by alex43578 »

deeg wrote: post #527
alex43578 wrote: post #455

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ICE is going door to door in some neighborhoods looking for non white people. US citizens have been arrested and detained, sometimes violently, and then released with no charges. So yes, our way of life is being threatened.

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by willmarch »

alex43578 wrote: post #473
SilverElfin wrote: post #388

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I keep hearing this idea that boiling over lets them double down, but at the same time, it is not acceptable to let them keep doing what they do. Once the government starts using physical violence against the people and openly violating constitutional law, there is no choice, but to push back. But that pushback can look different. Personally, I think that needs to be a massive general strike across every major city.

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You should read more of the thoughts of America’s founding fathers. Government authority ends when its actions violate the Constitution (especially when checks and balances have failed) and the people are the final arbiters of what the government can and cannot do. Your analysis is completely antithetical to the values and ideals the United States was founded to protect.

If the government repeatedly uses violence outside of the bounds of the Constitution and checks and balances have failed to correct that behavior then that is a real crossing of a redline based on the principles outlined in our founding documents.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by xyzelement »

afavour wrote: post #488
xyzelement wrote: post #465

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I think it's something different than "Americans are passive" - rather, many of them/us perceive the context of what you're seeing very differently. I can share some of this perspective though I don't insist it's the only way to feel. 1. Americans on the ground are clearly feeling the effects of illegal immigration. As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the firs…

I don’t think data supports this. Polling has shown a lot of people who voted Republican in 2024 (Latinos especially) have snapped back again already, at least partially because of what ICE is doing. ICE are terrorizing a city and its residents no matter what their immigration status is. Even someone who strongly wishes to curb illegal immigration should have a problem with that.

I would bet that's true just on a statistical level - but my point is that plenty of people still feel that way, or at least have felt that way recently enough about the underlying problem that won't cause them to riot.

There's an interesting other angle that I heard about "terrorizing a city" type thing -- there are many million illegal immigrants in the US who entered in just the last few years, when the prior admin did not attempt to limit. The size of the problem basically leaves no "nice" solutions that are perfectly palatable to everyone. Maybe like "nobody wants to hear about an amputation" but unfortunately some situations are bad enough that you have to.

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Post by BuckRogers »

ceejayoz wrote: post #157
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43675045 (showdead on) > This is really over for anyone who opposes us. The Lord saved Donald Trump from assassination and is using him as His instrument. The cognitive dissonance to continue to resist the Will of God and will of the people which are united, is just pure bitterness of loss and defeat. Let's be honest, you aren't gonna believe video, either. It's a matter of litera…

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by alex43578 »

edaemon wrote: post #558
alex43578 wrote: post #526

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Polling from them says about half of Americans have an unfavorable view of ICE, a far better rating than Congress, for example at 80% disapprove. So you’ve got a swath of people who are fine with what ICE is doing, or don’t care to even make their dissatisfaction known via a survey, much less the ballot box or via a riot.

You said "Don’t forget half the population (within polling MOE) supports this, believing ICE/ removal operations are making America safer...". That's not true. Barely a third of Americans believe that. Nearly half of Americans want ICE outright abolished.

Ok, so revised: half the population wants ICE abolished and nearly half the population has a favorable view of ICE.

The OP question was why aren’t Americans rising up and resisting ICE, and the answer I gave was because about half the population doesn’t even dislike them enough to answer a survey negatively.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by embedding-shape »

asa400 wrote: post #560
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

First, all of what you say is true. I'm going to try to add a little context as someone who is here on the ground, in the city in question. There is the imminent threat of mass death, and no one here is under any illusions about it. Every ICE agent is armed, and most have ready access to automatic weapons. These are not well-trained members of an elite organization with a storied, patriotic culture. ICE is a personal…

Thank you a lot for taking the time to share what you see there, I really appreciate it. All we can hope for is that it gets better, and that there are genuine people out there who care about others in their community, who all help each other when needed. It's really sad to hear about the realization of how quickly it could spiral but considering the situation, it's real and make sense. Thank you and good luck!

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by deeg »

potato3732842 wrote: post #544
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Americans have had 100 years of stable government and in the past political solutions have eventually been enacted. The Civil Rights bill was passed. Nixon pulled out of Vietnam. I think a lot of people are still expecting sanity to return. I hope they're right.

You've got three groups here. Federal cops, undocumented immigrants and the kind of people who turn out to protest the former acting against the latter. Very few people in this country finds any one of these groups particularly sympathetic and there's wide demographic swaths of the country that actively hate two if not all three of them. So yeah, everyone sees stuff that's very, very, wrong here, but nobody's really…

There are more than three groups. What about the group of people who are unhappy that masked goons are violently arresting citizens? What about people unhappy that ICE stopped a naturalization ceremony literally minutes before they were to become citizens?

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Post by chaps »

Steven420 wrote: post #513
fzeroracer wrote: post #103

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Do these [1] look like blocking traffic? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46598192

Most of those are shorts clips that do not show the context of the situation. These sorts of clips are what is causing people to believe the actions of federal agents are not justified when they actually are. When the initial clip of Renee Good came out people thought that the she did not drive into the agent but now that other angles have come out it is clear that she did hit the federal agent. It is always importan…

It's as if you're trying to find every excuse to just not research on your own; instead you expect everyone to feed you information

Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1q9tg16/updated_111_mi...

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