And ppl were worried about China's 1984 style use of Ai, lol. In the end it was greedy software developers that enable this.
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The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis
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#102For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Waving signs, yelling and filming is not obstruction
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Do these [1] look like blocking traffic?
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#104I am all for criticizing and pointing fingers at trump and this entire administration. But it does say they have been working with ICE for “years” in the article. What is not really clear to me is was the app made worse recently, was it originally commissioned under trump? Nothing about that changes that they should not be working with ICE and they deserve any pressure they get to cut ties. But there is some history…
ICE is already targeting everyone.
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#105And ppl were worried about China's 1984 style use of Ai, lol. In the end it was greedy software developers that enable this.
> And ppl were worried about China's 1984 style use of Ai, lol. Came here to say the same... > In the end it was greedy software developers that enable this. Nope. First is a failing govt system (not upholding the constitution) that's enabling this. Second it's not the devs but the business men (that are so much in bed in govt that they have become indistinguishable). Look, there are software devs (and probably busin…
GP didn't say greedy devs caused it, they (we?) are only enabling it.
Obviously there's always the cop out of "someone else would have done it anyway" but it doesn't really change the (un-)ethical side of your choices. I'm not saying it's black and white either - if the other choice is to leave your kids without proper medical care then it's a different thing than just being intentionally blind to ethics.
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#107If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.
The particular problem here is the vast majority of people that are writing this software
1. Don't care, blood is great.
2. Think they are the good guys.
3. Are more worried about their next paycheck and having bad things happen to them related to not paying rent.
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> Everyone is ok targeting te immigrant populations No, we're not.
I think the GP means the collective "we" is OK with it, evidenced simply by the fact that it is happening.
Yep, and from the outside, the rest of the world is watching you all just let it happen.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Along the same lines, anyone who thinks this is just about immigration should ask themselves what all these tens of thousands of ICE agents are going to do when all the immigrants are finally deported. Are they just going to go home and go back to their old jobs? Or do you think the Administration is going to find something else for them to do.
Deportations aren’t all that high. The raids are theater. Thinking that they’re going to deport all the immigrants isn’t realistic or supported by the numbers. Immigration control is a constant ongoing operation in every country. This administration is just making a big show out of it for political points.
My point still stands. The country will obviously not be permanently swarming with ICE agents violently grabbing immigrants off the street. There is going to be mission creep. If this isn't obvious then I don't know what to else I can say to convince you. Immigration is clearly just a pretext to establishing a national police force.
Remember this thread when you hear for the first time that ICE agents are tasked with doing something that has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. Coming soon.
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#110For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…
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Some folks have observed that the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, and other established far-right groups aren't marching as much recently:
> “How many pardoned January 6th insurrectionists have been hired by your respective departments?” Raskin (D-Md.), ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, asked the two officials [Bondi and Noem].