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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by bee_rider »

staplers wrote: post #243
treebeard901 wrote: post #201

Blue cities should have local citizen backed militias under the control of the mayor.

The national guard exists for this purpose (state level) but is mostly captured by federal interests. Local PD's could in effect do something similar but have shown to back the authoritarian-aligned party. Propaganda has aligned nearly every single level of law enforcement to authoritarianism. I can't see a scenario where this is undone.

Some states also have a “state defense force” which is explicitly under the control of the state. But they tend to be pretty small I think, and lots of them are inactive or purely ceremonial.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by hereme888 »

andrewvc wrote: post #19

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by agubelu »

embedding-shape wrote: post #315
andrewvc wrote: post #19

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

I'd say a couple of reasons:

- The American political system has been very successful in telling its people that the only acceptable way to show discontent and enact change is by voting on elections.

- Lots of people are okay with it because it can only happen to the "bad guys", and why would it ever happen to them since they're the "good guys"... right?

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Post by QuadmasterXLII »

embedding-shape wrote: post #315
andrewvc wrote: post #19

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

Americans aren't passive: we actively did this. The rioters are in the masks and uniforms. We went so far out of our way to arrive at this godforsaken idiot collapse.

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Post by Amezarak »

irl_zebra wrote: post #90
Izkata wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Slamming people into the ground, firing tear gas canisters into their faces, or killing them are not valid remedies for the state to take even if obstruction is happening. (even if they're being like really annoying with whistles and stuff!) edit: even if they referred to the ICE agent as "fatty fat fat fat" meanly

As a matter of fact, arrest is the proper remedy for obstruction, which is at least a misdemeanor and sometimes a felony, and it may include those first two things, or even the third if they violently resist. And despite widely spread misinformation online, ICE has the legal authority to arrest anyone, even citizens, if they see them doing this.

There’s really no other way law enforcement could work, I don’t know what people are imagining. You don’t get to surround or block LEO from conducting business and just say “neener neener” and there’s nothing they can do. If you escalate to physical violence then you’re simply gambling with your life and there’s no other way it could be in the world we life in, except in maybe a very low crime society.

It’s one thing if you accept all this and do it anyway, but people keep acting shocked by what happens. “why did you have real bullets?”.

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Post by alexashka »

jonnybgood wrote: post #163
chinathrow wrote: post #55

If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

The US gov (including ICE) uses all of Microsoft Office for coordination and planning: email, spreadsheets, powerpoint, document generation, etc. Would you say Microsoft employees have blood on their hands too? If not, what makes Microsoft different?

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Post by pixl97 »

no-dr-onboard wrote: post #258
pixl97 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The particular problem here is the vast majority of people that are writing this software 1. Don't care, blood is great. 2. Think they are the good guys. 3. Are more worried about their next paycheck and having bad things happen to them related to not paying rent.

I'd like to invite you to prove any three of your points.

Then what, pray tell, is their motivation?

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Post by grunder_advice »

an0malous wrote: post #131

I remember in the 2010s when Silicon Valley was full of founders who genuinely wanted to use technology to make the world a better place, and now it's just fascists who want to use technology to kill brown people more efficiently

SV was always full of limp wristed callous nerds who hate those they consider to be beneath them. Back them they called themselves libertarians or ancaps or something along those lines, but fundamentally nothing has changed.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by rvz »

LargeWu wrote: post #232
DetectDefect wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Palantir does not work in a vacuum - it requires other technology, platforms and systems to operate and succeed - many of which are designed and maintained by the users of Hacker News. Take a look at Palantir's trust center: https://palantir.safebase.us Schellman did their audit and compliance - do they have blood on their hands? How about AWS, GCP, Azure cloud resources used by Palantir - are they stained, too?

Palantir is built explicitly for surveillance, in a way the other companies you listed are not. There is no comparison here. It's like saying the City of Minneapolis is complicit because they maintain the roads ICE is driving on.

Except that the owners of AWS (Amazon) GCP (Google) and Azure (Microsoft) are all defense contractors for the Department of War.

All of them work directly / indirectly with ICE.

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Post by mc32 »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #284
mc32 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there countries where people of any other country can enter without controls outside of those who form a union to control ingress from non-union members? Like can I just get a plane ticket and stay indefinitely in Peru, Russia, UK, Cuba, Mexico, Ukraine, Uganda, Abu Dhabi, Costa Rica, India, etc? You can rage against the question, but the question remains.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Just because a bunch of people jumped off a bridge means you’re gonna do the same thing? I would literally never look to Russia as an example of anything to emulate so why would I give a shit what they do?

It’s a diverse sample of many kinds of countries with a diverse set of cultures and and governance and yet they all control entry into their countries.
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