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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by goatlover »

jalapenoh wrote: post #363
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

Americans have wanted the border fixed for around a century.

Authoritarians always use some out group as a scape goat for problems to be fixed by a strong man who isn't restrained by the law.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by mrguyorama »

ryandrake wrote: post #318
mmmlinux wrote: post #191

As always, I like to point out that someone here is probably very proud of their work on this.

And, if you criticize them for building these systems, they'll trot out the usual excuses: - Well, I'm working on interesting technical problems at massive scale. Leave it to the business guys to figure out how to apply it--not my problem. - Well, I just move protobufs from one middleware API to another. I don't even talk to the application guys. - Well, I just write the code my boss tells me to write. I don't want t…

No, actually at least one person in this comment section is outright happy to say they like what is going on.

These people don't care what harms "deporting illegals" means, because they aren't really attached to reality and are utterly lacking empathy.

"Better ten guilty men go free than one innocent man imprisoned" is clearly not something they consider acceptable.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by anal_reactor »

xyzelement wrote: post #465
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

I think it's something different than "Americans are passive" - rather, many of them/us perceive the context of what you're seeing very differently. I can share some of this perspective though I don't insist it's the only way to feel. 1. Americans on the ground are clearly feeling the effects of illegal immigration. As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the firs…

I live in Europe, in an immigrant ghetto. Well, I'm not sure whether the word "immigrant" is correct, because most residents are second or third generation and have passports.

The cultural gap is just too much. There are explosions 24/7 and the amount of trash on the street hurts my eyes. A party by my window at 2AM - check. It happens that you have a group of six guys walking down the middle of the road and the fuck are you going to do. There's only so much you can explain by poverty and lack of privilege - especially when they were born in one of the world's richest countries while the country I am from started poor but developed immensely.

When voting, immigration policies are for me #1 issue. I just don't want the entire Europe to look like this.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by willmarch »

Amezarak wrote: post #355
irl_zebra wrote: post #90

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Slamming people into the ground, firing tear gas canisters into their faces, or killing them are not valid remedies for the state to take even if obstruction is happening. (even if they're being like really annoying with whistles and stuff!) edit: even if they referred to the ICE agent as "fatty fat fat fat" meanly

As a matter of fact, arrest is the proper remedy for obstruction, which is at least a misdemeanor and sometimes a felony, and it may include those first two things, or even the third if they violently resist. And despite widely spread misinformation online, ICE has the legal authority to arrest anyone, even citizens, if they see them doing this. There’s really no other way law enforcement could work, I don’t know wha…

What if LEOs have a clear pattern of acting outside of the Constitution and lying about the circumstances around “obstruction”? Can you see a point at which it no longer makes sense to comply? I believe the founding fathers have much to say on this subject.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by amarcheschi »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #262

Worth reminding everyone in the EU and UK that this is not a 'them' problem. Palantir is the main software vendor for Europol. Equally pretty much all the 1984 proposals for age or id online verification that are being massaged into existence (both in the UK and pushed by the European Commission) have their fingers all over them. They sell pre-crime and opinion control to our democratic leaders and apparently everyon…

For some reasons I think europol officers (the ones taking decisions, at least) are loving ice. They didn't have issues when proposing to expand chat control, which would meant large scale surveillance, so they'd appreciate whatever palantir can come out with

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by brightball »

fzeroracer wrote: post #471
brightball wrote: post #381

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> I think what op is getting at is that "no politics" rule is what allowed the frog to boil. But this simply isn't the case. The fact that "no politics" zones exist is a response to the fact that politics is everywhere else . People here aren't blissfully unaware, they're just tired of it and many realize that arguing about it on the internet won't accomplish anything other than wasting time. As I sit here writing th…

Are you ever going to actually circle back to the people actually providing you proof from earlier?

Sure. Most likely later tonight.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by newfriend »

embedding-shape wrote: post #501
xyzelement wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's something different than "Americans are passive" - rather, many of them/us perceive the context of what you're seeing very differently. I can share some of this perspective though I don't insist it's the only way to feel. 1. Americans on the ground are clearly feeling the effects of illegal immigration. As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the firs…

> it's because you come in from a perspective of not wanting the underlying problem solved Where is this assumption coming from? Of course I don't want people to break the laws of the country or immigrate illegally, I never argued for that either. What I don't understand, if Obama managed to throw out more illegals than Trump did for the same duration of time, yet with a lot less chaos and bloodshed, and you truly wa…

There is a huge difference between turning people away at the border and tallying a "deportation", and removing people from the interior of the US.

The flow of illegal aliens crossing the border has largely been eliminated. [1]

> should you favor a more peaceful and efficient process? Instead of a more violent and less efficient process?

I want a process that actually works. There has been no serious headway made in the number of illegal aliens for decades until now. [2]

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8wd8938e8o

[2] https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-1st-time-50-years-experienced-n...

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by pstuart »

nullocator wrote: post #467
mosura wrote: post #29

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It isn’t new though. The whole reason it is such a mess now is it was equally deliberately ignored for decades.

No. One old man and a bunch of malicious zealots at his side are introducing a tremendous amount of instability into the country and the world at large; just like they did with his first term, only now less inhibited.

The problem is the old man and his enablers have zero respect for the law, whereas the other team does (they are not above reproach but in this regard they are distinctly different).

This makes the fight unfair, as without law all we have is unbridled violence as a tool and that is a path to ruin for all.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by andoando »

stackghost wrote: post #431
andoando wrote: post #411

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Same, you wouldn't criticize a woodworking forum for not having politics.

I would, if people on that woodworking forum did critical work for DOGE, or Palantir, or Facebook, or Sam Altman.

Most of us don't work at those places.

And besides, what does discussing technology itself have anything to do with it? If you work at big tech you're not allowed to particpate in tech forum as a hobby?

We already discuss politics here as it has to do with tech (privacy is a pretty common topic here for example).

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