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The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by exe34 »

miroljub wrote: post #100
c0n5pir4cy wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't like to see all the legal infrastructure they're putting in under a Reform UK government - I'd imagine they'll use it for far more nefarious means. That being said - the blame lies squarely with Labour here. I have a gut feel a lot of it has to do with donors to the Tony Blair Institute.

Well World Economic Forum (WEF) lists Tony Blair and his institute as one of the top Agenda contributors [1]. It's not even funny that you can trace almost any person responsible for the deterioration of human rights in Western society to one of the WEF alumni or associates. These supernatural institutions and interest groups should be made illegal if we want to continue as a civilization. [1] https://www.weforum.org…

They need to, at the very least, obey the prevailing laws of physics.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by foldr »

zpeti wrote: post #93
azangru wrote: post #48

> The focus of policing is also shifting. As street crime continues to fall, more attention is directed toward protest, dissent, and the perceived risk of unrest. Does street crime in fact continue to fall? I keep hearing about bicycles getting stolen, or how in London, mobile phones get snatched. It was also common to hear how police fails to prosecute various kinds of crime (usually mentioned in contrast to how the…

You know how the NHS reduced waiting lists a few years back? If you had waiting lists of say 100 for a surgery, they basically said - the list is maximum 15 people, after that it's whoever books first who gets the surgery. So basically you had to be lucky and be the number 15 on the list once a spot was open. But! Magically NHS waiting lists got shorter! The government could say this on Question Time on the BBC, wooh…

Claims about certain categories of crime rising or falling in England are usually based on the Crime Survey for England and Wales, which is not based on police reports, but on surveying a random sample of people to see if they have been self-reported victims of various kinds of crime.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by PUSH_AX »

Tostino wrote: post #20
PUSH_AX wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean technically a lot of countries already have laws against conspiracy to murder, without doing the actual murder bit. And we are broadly ok with this because it makes a lot of sense.

That generally still takes the person taking some sort of action in furtherance of that plan, not just thinking it.

Yeah because prosecution requires evidence. Not because we don't agree with the principal.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by wormpilled »

whynotmaybe wrote: post #67
miroljub wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So media control, regulation by enforcement, and institutional control becomes the focus of effort. You forgot gun control. That's the first thing they took away. Thereafter, freedom after freedom has been made optional by the government [1]. When government becomes overreaching, and you don't have the means to protect yourself and your rights, that's where it goes. [1] I said "government", but probably "regime" wo…

I still don't know what's so important about guns and how it's a metric for freedom.

Predators are less likely to attack someone who can defend themselves, it's quite simple.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by 9JollyOtter »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #8

This is how you govern from a position of unpopularity. The government knows they’re on the wrong side of many issues, to the point they know they can’t win an open debate. So media control, regulation by enforcement, and institutional control becomes the focus of effort.

I don't agree. The British State has been going in this direction ever since Blair's government and probably before that. I don't remember Blair's government being that unpopular.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by fidotron »

foldr wrote: post #96
fidotron wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone in London knows what happens if you try to report "minor" street crime. Obviously everyone saying the UK isn't a utopia is a Russian bot, and we should be censoring them.

Do you even go here?

> Do you even go here?

Is that authentic vernacular?

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by Ntrails »

OgsyedIE wrote: post #40

The UK faces real structural problems with the inflating cost of living regardless of government, roughly halfway attributable to failing the lower-level challenge of continuing to import adequate quantities of diesel at affordable prices and the rest mostly coming from an aging population. Spot diesel has come down from the price spike of covid to approximately 1.3x the 2019 price. Almost all physical goods have die…

> The UK government isn't trying much policy for tackling the causes or the symptoms

It doesn't know what it wants, nor how to prioritise between conflicts from vague pre (and post) election statements. It certainly doesn't want to make the hard compromises that are actually required.

That said...

I wouldn't want the job of trying to balance the books, fix the housing backlog, modernise our energy infrastructure, integrate social and medical care, address social cohesion, manage persistent inequality, improve our global competitiveness etc etc etc

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by js8 »

iamnothere wrote: post #91
slfreference wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard Boeing whistleblowers died unexpectedly. Two prominent Boeing whistleblowers, John Barnett (died March 2024) and Joshua Dean (died April 2024), have died in recent times, raising significant concerns about retaliation and safety at the aerospace giant; Barnett died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound after battling Boeing in a retaliation lawsuit, while Dean died from a sudden infection after raising quality…

Also Suchir Balaji. And if you’re willing to go back further, Michael Hastings and Gary Webb. But that’s all the US. For the UK you need Gareth Williams, the GHCQ analyst who was found dead inside a padlocked duffel bag.

Another suspicious death was David Kelly, who was involved in weapons inspections in Iraq and disputed the casus belli for the Iraq war.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by 9JollyOtter »

geremiiah wrote: post #36
piltdownman wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BBC has never been impartial to internal concerns - domestic politics in particular. Leveson Inquiry recommendations not being implemented is the tip of the iceberg in relation to the extent of client-journalism it engages in with regard to the Conservative party. https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/bbc-under-sc...

I used the BBC just an example. Starmer seems to have the same attitude. If both Farage and Corbyn, and Polanski and whoever is leading the Conservatives and LibDems are attacking me, then I must be super in the middle i.e. I must be so doing it all super right!

I don't think Starmer really knows what he is doing one way or another. The Island of Strangers speech out flaked Farage to the right.

Dominic Cummings had a bunch of interview appearances online. His experience in office when he was working with Johnson (and many Ministers in general) is that they don't actually understand what they can and can't do in the job. I wouldn't be surprised if a similar situation is present under Starmer.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by jjgreen »

simmerup wrote: post #49
mapt wrote: post #26

This is a thousand times as concerning in the context of London than in the context of Baltimore. It addresses a concern that doesn't exist for the UK public, in a way that appears intended to oppress from the start, against a backdrop of arresting thousands of pensioners for disagreeing about a genocide.

The only people being arrested in the Uk are for supporting a proscribed group. A group that broke a police officers back with sledge hammers, committed multiple acts of vandalism against our military, and have tons of links to Hamas They can oppose Israel action in Palestine, they just can’t support terrorists

This is a jury trial in progress, there are rules against prejudicing such. Genuinely interested readers can read a trial report here: https://realmedia.press/the-filton-trial-4/
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