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The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by piltdownman »

geremiiah wrote: post #21
spacebanana7 wrote: post #8

This is how you govern from a position of unpopularity. The government knows they’re on the wrong side of many issues, to the point they know they can’t win an open debate. So media control, regulation by enforcement, and institutional control becomes the focus of effort.

There seems to be a prevalent notion within UK establishment circles, "we are being attacked from both sides, therefore we must be right/balanced/fair", which is totally not how it works. You see used for example to defend the supposed impartiality of the BBC.

The BBC has never been impartial to internal concerns - domestic politics in particular. Leveson Inquiry recommendations not being implemented is the tip of the iceberg in relation to the extent of client-journalism it engages in with regard to the Conservative party.

https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/bbc-under-sc...

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by geremiiah »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #27
erichocean wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? Starmer is the least popular Prime Minister, I believe, ever.

He wins or draws on every measure of unpopularity, other than YouGov net satisfaction where Liz Truss still beats him.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/28/keir-s... https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/30/uk/keir-starmer-labour-pa...

I've come across various sources that lean center-left, note, CENTER-left, saying this. I think there might be something to it.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by Piezoid »

Not a word on Palantir. Is this because of the adept wording by the ministry of justice? I highly doubt they are developing this in a vacuum.

As re reminder, In the UK Palantir holds extensive contracts across defense (multi-billion MoD deals for AI-driven battlefield and intelligence systems) and healthcare (7y £330m+ NHS Data Platform). In France, its involvement is narrower but concentrated on *domestic* intelligence.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by geremiiah »

piltdownman wrote: post #31
geremiiah wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be a prevalent notion within UK establishment circles, "we are being attacked from both sides, therefore we must be right/balanced/fair", which is totally not how it works. You see used for example to defend the supposed impartiality of the BBC.

The BBC has never been impartial to internal concerns - domestic politics in particular. Leveson Inquiry recommendations not being implemented is the tip of the iceberg in relation to the extent of client-journalism it engages in with regard to the Conservative party. https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/bbc-under-sc...

I used the BBC just an example. Starmer seems to have the same attitude. If both Farage and Corbyn, and Polanski and whoever is leading the Conservatives and LibDems are attacking me, then I must be super in the middle i.e. I must be so doing it all super right!

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by iso1631 »

erichocean wrote: post #24
justincormack wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been ongoing for a long time, its not at all specific to this government.

Huh? Starmer is the least popular Prime Minister, I believe, ever.

Yet these laws and general direction have been in place through half a dozen prime ministers, including ones initially very popular (Johnson especially, but Cameron wasn't particularly unpopular until the brexit mess)

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by miroljub »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #8

This is how you govern from a position of unpopularity. The government knows they’re on the wrong side of many issues, to the point they know they can’t win an open debate. So media control, regulation by enforcement, and institutional control becomes the focus of effort.

> So media control, regulation by enforcement, and institutional control becomes the focus of effort.

You forgot gun control. That's the first thing they took away. Thereafter, freedom after freedom has been made optional by the government [1].

When government becomes overreaching, and you don't have the means to protect yourself and your rights, that's where it goes.

[1] I said "government", but probably "regime" would be a more suitable term here.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by OgsyedIE »

The UK faces real structural problems with the inflating cost of living regardless of government, roughly halfway attributable to failing the lower-level challenge of continuing to import adequate quantities of diesel at affordable prices and the rest mostly coming from an aging population. Spot diesel has come down from the price spike of covid to approximately 1.3x the 2019 price.

Almost all physical goods have diesel prices contribute to their sticker price in a significant way. The diesel exporting countries are all incrementally increasing their domestic consumption, leaving less for the world market year on year.

The UK government isn't trying much policy for tackling the causes or the symptoms, largely because the government is disproportionately drawn from a class of people who don't want those policies. The media of the upper middle class of the UK has sincere column after sincere column of hating the rest of the population and calling for better controls over the cattle.

Tens of millions of people, held hostage by a clique of crabs in a bucket.

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