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The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by geremiiah »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #8

This is how you govern from a position of unpopularity. The government knows they’re on the wrong side of many issues, to the point they know they can’t win an open debate. So media control, regulation by enforcement, and institutional control becomes the focus of effort.

There seems to be a prevalent notion within UK establishment circles, "we are being attacked from both sides, therefore we must be right/balanced/fair", which is totally not how it works. You see used for example to defend the supposed impartiality of the BBC.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by xnorswap »

anthk wrote: post #17
TuringNYC wrote: post #5

Black Mirror continues to be a 5-7yr leading indicator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mirror

Orwell predates Black Mirror by decades. 1984 should be a must read for everyone.

I'd argue that makes Black Mirror more prescient.

In the case of Black Mirror, it was a set of studies on the dangers of current and near technologies. That some of those fears are materialising not long after the episodes, is in my opinion more damning than Orwell's fears of the state which didn't really come to pass in the same way, even decades later.

I don't disagree that Nineteen Eighty-Four is essential reading however. ( I'd also add Brave New World to that list ).

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by erichocean »

justincormack wrote: post #13
spacebanana7 wrote: post #8

This is how you govern from a position of unpopularity. The government knows they’re on the wrong side of many issues, to the point they know they can’t win an open debate. So media control, regulation by enforcement, and institutional control becomes the focus of effort.

This has been ongoing for a long time, its not at all specific to this government.

Huh? Starmer is the least popular Prime Minister, I believe, ever.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by fabianholzer »

FpUser wrote: post #18

I wonder at what point these countries will loose any moral ground against the likes of Russia, China etc. Up until this point it was mostly that they would gladly fuck the other countries up but treated their own people way better than the other camp. But this difference is disappearing. Of course there is always North Korea and other totally fucked up regimes they could use to compare and look white and fluffy

> I wonder at what point these countries will loose any moral ground against the likes of Russia, China etc.

When arbitrary extrajudicial killings happen at some scale on a regular basis?

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by mapt »

This is a thousand times as concerning in the context of London than in the context of Baltimore. It addresses a concern that doesn't exist for the UK public, in a way that appears intended to oppress from the start, against a backdrop of arresting thousands of pensioners for disagreeing about a genocide.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by spacebanana7 »

erichocean wrote: post #24
justincormack wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been ongoing for a long time, its not at all specific to this government.

Huh? Starmer is the least popular Prime Minister, I believe, ever.

He wins or draws on every measure of unpopularity, other than YouGov net satisfaction where Liz Truss still beats him.

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by simmerup »

mc32 wrote: post #19
spacebanana7 wrote: post #8

This is how you govern from a position of unpopularity. The government knows they’re on the wrong side of many issues, to the point they know they can’t win an open debate. So media control, regulation by enforcement, and institutional control becomes the focus of effort.

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What’s going on over here?

You have ICE thugs executing citizens and being defended by the government while doing so

Re: The UK is shaping a future of precrime and dissent management (2025)

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Post by omnimus »

xnorswap wrote: post #22
anthk wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orwell predates Black Mirror by decades. 1984 should be a must read for everyone.

I'd argue that makes Black Mirror more prescient. In the case of Black Mirror, it was a set of studies on the dangers of current and near technologies. That some of those fears are materialising not long after the episodes, is in my opinion more damning than Orwell's fears of the state which didn't really come to pass in the same way, even decades later. I don't disagree that Nineteen Eighty-Four is essential reading…

We are one renaming cycle away from renaming Department of War to Department of Love.
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