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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by andsoitis »

saubeidl wrote: post #147
andsoitis wrote: post #144

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> The US literally wrote a national security strategy describing that it wants to dismantle the EU. The official 2025 NSS document does not explicitly state a US goal to dismantle the European Union. The strategy is highly critical of the EU's direction and Europe's trajectory in ways that critics could say could indirectly undermine EU cohesion, but there's no formal language saying the US wants to dismantle the EU.…

Heh there's two versions, the one with the spicier additions has not been officially published. https://archive.ph/eT1FY

> Heh there's two versions, the one with the spicier additions has not been officially published.

I hear there's a third version.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by nephihaha »

andsoitis wrote: post #124
carlosjobim wrote: post #112

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The EU is not Europe. I never see any pro-EU sentiment anywhere besides on HN and Reddit. Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power. Except for the Germans.

> Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power. Your framing is off, I'm afraid. Across Europe, most people see the EU as more good than bad, especially compared to the alternative of countries acting alone. At the same time, support is often cautious rather than enthusiastic.

Voter turn out is extremely low in certain central and eastern Europe for EU elections. I think it was down to under 20% in some places a few years ago.

I had hoped that the UK would vote to remain and Europe would move away from a centralist, authoritarian model, but it's got worse especially since 2020. The EU is its own worst enemy.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by andsoitis »

Lapel2742 wrote: post #190
andsoitis wrote: post #179

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> It requires money too. If you are poor your choices are naturally limited Yes, because the US optimizes for convenience, price, and variety, so you see more industrialized food. On average, poor people in Europe eat healthier than poor people in the US, but still significantly worse than wealthier Europeans.

> On average, poor people in Europe eat healthier than poor people in the US, but still significantly worse than wealthier Europeans. Sure. But in the end the EU feeds it's citizens healthier food than the US does. That's all I'm saying. I'm glad we have those regulations.

We agree.

What's interesting is JFK Jr. (our Secratary of Health and Human Services) has a stance that Americans eat too many ultra-processed foods. He wants people to eat more whole foods and fewer additives. He questions conventional warnings about saturated fat and supports dietary changes than include more full-fat dairy and meats. He prefers education over bans or mandates.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by nephihaha »

Lapel2742 wrote: post #182
carlosjobim wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is not Europe. I never see any pro-EU sentiment anywhere besides on HN and Reddit. Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power. Except for the Germans.

> Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power. Maybe you should get out of your right-wing bubble. - EU approval among its citizens hits record high as security fears grow, poll shows ( https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-approval-among-its-c... ) - Nearly three quarters of EU citizens (74%) say that, taking everything into account, their country has benefited from being a mem…

The EU is busy clamping down on freedom of expression and forcing through Digital ID. It isn't some paradise.

There are things I like about the EU, but it also has some things horribly wrong.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by jimnotgym »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #151
jimnotgym wrote: post #7

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I agree, this is a good thing. Long term stable large contracts are great simulation for a market. Airbus obviously has a large amount of military work, and its data needs to stay in Europe. What we also need is a faster acceleration of military spending so this can happen with more companies.

> thing. Long term stable large contracts are great simulation for a market. They are not. It can hurt Airbus very much if a provider says they can provide a certain level of hardware/software for 10 years and in three years the RAM or storage goes through the roof and the provider is not big enough to absorb all the losses. People don’t choose the hyperscalers because they are based in the US, they choose them becau…

I would expect a contract review for millions in hosting to review how the company will mitigate those costs. Normally you would expect them to contract away the risk themselves. In fact the current rise in RAM costs is due to exactly this, big hosters contracting for long term RAM certainty.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by andsoitis »

nephihaha wrote: post #193
andsoitis wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power. Your framing is off, I'm afraid. Across Europe, most people see the EU as more good than bad, especially compared to the alternative of countries acting alone. At the same time, support is often cautious rather than enthusiastic.

Voter turn out is extremely low in certain central and eastern Europe for EU elections. I think it was down to under 20% in some places a few years ago. I had hoped that the UK would vote to remain and Europe would move away from a centralist, authoritarian model, but it's got worse especially since 2020. The EU is its own worst enemy.

> move away from a centralist, authoritarian model,

EU is authoritarian? Why do you think that?

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by Phlogi »

tormeh wrote: post #180
antonkochubey wrote: post #61

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If you need much more than compute, managed k8s and blob storage, then you're architecting yourself for a vendor lock-in.

Absolutely not. There's a gazillion cloud providers out there with hosted postgres+kafka+redis and the other big open source softwares. Hetzner is just not one of them.

Please list them, especially the ones with managed services.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by Phlogi »

tormeh wrote: post #180
antonkochubey wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you need much more than compute, managed k8s and blob storage, then you're architecting yourself for a vendor lock-in.

Absolutely not. There's a gazillion cloud providers out there with hosted postgres+kafka+redis and the other big open source softwares. Hetzner is just not one of them.

Please list them, especially the ones with managed services..

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by keepamovin »

tormeh wrote: post #176
keepamovin wrote: post #148

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Not Hetzner tho

I hesitate to call Hetzner "cloud". Hetzner is an EC2+S3 competitor, not an AWS one. IMO the minimum for being a real cloud is you need hosted Postgres, hosted Kafka, hosted Kubernetes, and S3-compatible object storage. Without the first three Hetzner is just not in the same product category. Nobody sensible buys AWS for the comically overpriced EC2.

Is it really so much cheaper to pay for "hosted" apps rather than just plumbing your own on VPS/metal?
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