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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by microtonal » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:41 PM UTC

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #132

saubeidl wrote: post #92

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Their VP and one of their government-linked oligarchs is meeting with literal Neonazis in Germany that are trying to topple the constitutional order: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/jd-vance-afd-meetin... To say they're not anti-Europe is either hopelessly naive or cynically ideologically aligned with their goals.

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geberation there will be no more real germans

I would be very surprised if this type of speech is allowed/tolerated on HN.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by andsoitis » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:43 PM UTC

jamesblonde wrote: post #160

pembrook wrote: post #99

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The reason the US is able to raise rents (tariffs) has nothing to do with Europe buying US digital services. The tariffs are on European exports. The problem is Europe has a weak domestic consumer market and is dependent on selling stuff to the US, not buying from them.

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> Nonsense. Unilaterial tarrifs are not how trade agreements work. This is pure extractive rent.

What do you mean by "unilateral tariffs"?

> The reason the US is not able to extract the same rents from China is that they have digital sovereignty and the US cannot just pull the cloud plug from them.

The US has higher tariffs against Chinese imports than European imports.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by mannykannot » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:44 PM UTC

MangoToupe wrote: post #130

LadyCailin wrote: post #95

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Project 2025 was just political rage bait and rumors too, until it wasn’t.

It can be both. The document is massive, very contradictory and incoherent, and most of the people hysterical over it haven't even read it. Look I'm no fan of the trump administration but people should have concrete concerns, not waving around "project 2025" like some symbol of the country's imminent collapse. Unfortunately, our country is nowhere near collapse and this administration is not going to be the thing to…

Talk of how it might be interpreted is rather beside the point when the administration appears to be implementing a particular interpretation and SCOTUS appears to be fine with that, whether or not it is a selective one. Those are the concrete concerns of which you speak.

It is helpful to have the document publicly available, but only if enough people heed its implicit warning.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by klabb3 » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:45 PM UTC

strangegecko wrote: post #133

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #103

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> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

China is decidedly anti democratic and authoritarian. They're also preparing for military activities to expand their territory. It's not that each country needs to develop their own, but it is prudent to not depend on those who have a fundamentally different and incompatible world view.

> it is prudent to not depend on those who have a fundamentally different and incompatible world view.

Like Saudi Arabia and formerly the Saddam regime (when he sold oil in USD)?

While compatible world view is used as an argument against diplomatic and economic relations, in reality it’s just a bonus, not a requirement. What’s important is plain old cost benefit and national interests. The US is still a better ally for EU than China, but it’s gotten drastically worse fast. And while China has territorial ambitions, they are nowhere near EU. The US is the good old status quo ”devil you know”, but it’s abundantly evident now that nobody really knew them, including many of their own political elites domestically.

On diplomacy timescales, ignoring China because of human rights concerns is exceptionally short-sighted, both for EU if US continues current path, and for global stability in case conflicts escalate between China and US. There is no choice that guarantees EU will have a strong ”human rights” ally in 10 years.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by andsoitis » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:46 PM UTC

Ray20 wrote: post #165

Lapel2742 wrote: post #87

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> Isn't it exactly the opposite, and it was the EU that attempted to overthrow democracy in the US (and failed)?

What are you talking about? According to US intelligence agencies, bipartisan Senate reports, and federal prosecutions, Russia, China, and Iran have been singled out at running disinformation campaigns. The EU has never been accused by the US of trying to topple democracy in the US.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by tormeh » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:47 PM UTC

keepamovin wrote: post #148

jacquesm wrote: post #65

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Most cloud providers have the same exact issue that AWS has: they're US based.

Not Hetzner tho

I hesitate to call Hetzner "cloud". Hetzner is an EC2+S3 competitor, not an AWS one. IMO the minimum for being a real cloud is you need hosted Postgres, hosted Kafka, hosted Kubernetes, and S3-compatible object storage. Without the first three Hetzner is just not in the same product category. Nobody sensible buys AWS for the comically overpriced EC2.

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Post by arrrg » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:50 PM UTC

re-thc wrote: post #153

arrrg wrote: post #123

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For decades trusting the US was no problem at all. The relationship was mutually beneficial. Cooperation and trust among nations is possible and Juche (completely self-reliance) is not a worthwhile goal at all. So, sure, cooperation is great and should always be a goal – it also secures peace (people who are economically intertwined are less likely to go to war with each other). The issue is the US burning up that ea…

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See, this is a clear example why hypercynicism (everything has always been maximally evil all the time already) is not at all helpful. You lose your ability to differentiate in your cynical zeal to cast everyone as maximally (undifferentiably) evil all the time.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by rapnie » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:51 PM UTC

throw0101c wrote: post #113

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #103

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> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

>> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. > Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. The logic is don't use infrastructure of people you don't trust. If Europeans don't trust Chinese, then don't use Chines…

Yes, there is a lot of affinity towards Canada in Europa, I feel. Last Bastion of Democracy on the North-American continent, and not part of the whacky Trump-Atlantian Hemisphere.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by andsoitis » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:52 PM UTC

Lapel2742 wrote: post #156

andsoitis wrote: post #141

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> That is why our food is way better and way healthier than the shit the US makes it's citizens eat. The US optimized for convenience, affordability, and variety. You can eat very healthily in the US, but it requires more intentional choices. In many (not all) EU countries, the default option is closer to healthy.

> You can eat very healthily in the US, but it requires more intentional choices. It requires money too. If you are poor your choices are naturally limited and in the end you are dependent on government regulations to eat at least somewhat healthy.

> It requires money too. If you are poor your choices are naturally limited

Yes, because the US optimizes for convenience, price, and variety, so you see more industrialized food.

On average, poor people in Europe eat healthier than poor people in the US, but still significantly worse than wealthier Europeans.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by tormeh » Sat, Dec 20, 2025, 1:53 PM UTC

antonkochubey wrote: post #61

AndroTux wrote: post #56

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There are a lot of European “cloud” providers, but there’s not one that offers anything even close to AWS/GCP/Cloudflare. If you need more than compute and S3, you’re pretty much SOL.

If you need much more than compute, managed k8s and blob storage, then you're architecting yourself for a vendor lock-in.

Absolutely not. There's a gazillion cloud providers out there with hosted postgres+kafka+redis and the other big open source softwares. Hetzner is just not one of them.