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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Their VP and one of their government-linked oligarchs is meeting with literal Neonazis in Germany that are trying to topple the constitutional order: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/jd-vance-afd-meetin... To say they're not anti-Europe is either hopelessly naive or cynically ideologically aligned with their goals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany

AFG are Neonazis?

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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They did not, this is all political ragebait journalism and memes.

Disbanding the EU is an official goal of the new US security strategy.

The EU is not Europe. I never see any pro-EU sentiment anywhere besides on HN and Reddit. Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power. Except for the Germans.

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A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

>> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it.

> Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software.

The logic is don't use infrastructure of people you don't trust. If Europeans don't trust Chinese, then don't use Chinese infra; if the Europeans don't trust the US (anymore), then don't use US infra. The Europeans could trust the Canadians, and use Canadian infra for example.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Their VP and one of their government-linked oligarchs is meeting with literal Neonazis in Germany that are trying to topple the constitutional order: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/jd-vance-afd-meetin... To say they're not anti-Europe is either hopelessly naive or cynically ideologically aligned with their goals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany AFG are Neonazis?

Indeed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/19/turmoil-in-ger...

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dangerous-liais...

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Europe should be building domestic digital capacity regardless (and not just servers) but saying it needs to treat the US like China is a bit melodramatic given the economic and physical threat to Europe is 10X greater in the east. The US is not anti-Europe. The US has just begun to start evaluating its relationship with Europe rationally and wants it to grow up beyond the post-WW2 training wheels. The overreaction t…

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Their VP and one of their government-linked oligarchs is meeting with literal Neonazis in Germany that are trying to topple the constitutional order: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/jd-vance-afd-meetin... To say they're not anti-Europe is either hopelessly naive or cynically ideologically aligned with their goals.

If the #2 or #1 most popular political party in Germany are "literal Neonazis", I think Germany and likely Europe as a whole has a much bigger problem than whatever America is doing.

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Was it laziness and stupidity, or was it protection money . I thought the deal since WW2 was a US security guarantee, in return for letting the US have our money. A protection racket. Or perhaps it was more like Europe paying tribute to its colonial master. Anyhow it is clear the protection is not to be relied upon, so it is time to stop paying. It is dangerous making deals with gangsters. It is perhaps more dangerou…

Wait so the US is supposed to provide security at no cost forever? Are you talking about NATO or something else? The only thing I see a problem is all countries paying the same rate to be in NATO.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Their VP and one of their government-linked oligarchs is meeting with literal Neonazis in Germany that are trying to topple the constitutional order: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/14/jd-vance-afd-meetin... To say they're not anti-Europe is either hopelessly naive or cynically ideologically aligned with their goals.

If the #2 or #1 most popular political party in Germany are "literal Neonazis", I think Germany and likely Europe as a whole has a much bigger problem than whatever America is doing.

Those two are not unrelated.

It's a result of deliberate media manipulation and hybrid warfare by the US and Russia.

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> Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech This is a disingenuous straw man. The allies are derided for literally freeloading on US military protection while underinvesting in their own defense.

Freeloading? My country spends less on defence as a percentage of GDP than the US. But it spends much of that with US companies. This is not Freeloading. It was a deal. Cancel TSR-2, and buy American and we will lend you some money. Cancel your nuclear program and buy US submarine launched missiles and we will help you look after yourself. Now let Visa and Mastercard skim off all your transactions and we will keep yo…

Agreed those things exist, in most contracts one or both parties feel they are not getting a 'fair' deal and will renegotiate terms, this is very common.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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It's better than having the rug pulled from under your company one day. This is the point in history we're at unfortunately.

This is pure fear-mongering

Tell that to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court.

Why wouldn't a bunch of Airbus executives be next in line to be sanctioned by the US? They represent a threat to the profitability of Boeing.

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