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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by antonkochubey »

AndroTux wrote: post #56
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lmao but in all honesty, there are a lot of european cloud providers that I know and they are even cheaper than american counterparts like aws, azure, gcp. Personally I like european cloud too but I dont have so much as an preference and it depends but the current environment of america does seem a little hostile but not the fault of datacenters in america but I hope that hostility slows down

There are a lot of European “cloud” providers, but there’s not one that offers anything even close to AWS/GCP/Cloudflare. If you need more than compute and S3, you’re pretty much SOL.

If you need much more than compute, managed k8s and blob storage, then you're architecting yourself for a vendor lock-in.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

sunshine-o wrote: post #51

He is my free advise for Airbus: 1/ First migrate out your "17 years Accenture veteran" executive vice president of digital [0] (who probably sold you MS and Google cloud in the first place) 2/ Then appoint any inside good engineer and ask him to investigate this: "As one of the most prominent and sensitive aerospace corporation, do you think we can setup servers and run our software on it?" If the answer is no, Airb…

You had me right up until 21th

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

AndroTux wrote: post #56
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lmao but in all honesty, there are a lot of european cloud providers that I know and they are even cheaper than american counterparts like aws, azure, gcp. Personally I like european cloud too but I dont have so much as an preference and it depends but the current environment of america does seem a little hostile but not the fault of datacenters in america but I hope that hostility slows down

There are a lot of European “cloud” providers, but there’s not one that offers anything even close to AWS/GCP/Cloudflare. If you need more than compute and S3, you’re pretty much SOL.

OVH? Upcloud? Scaleway?

(searching more I found Koyeb, bunny cdn offers deno similar to cloudflare workers)

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by jacquesm »

And not just Airbus. Very quietly there is a lot of stuff being moved out of the US and away from MS, AWS, Google etc. Trump has absolutely no idea what he's doing and comes across as the proverbial bull in a China shop.

History books a hundred years hence will have some choice things to say about how we all stood by and let this happen.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by jacquesm »

reese_john wrote: post #60
general1465 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you are married to AWS, that's a weakness in itself I have tried Lambdas and then got this "oh-shit moment" when I have realized that if AWS would be to kick me out, I would be absolutely screwed. Now I am slowly dispersing and using VMs instead and avoiding all the AWS-specific stuff as much as I can.

Most cloud providers have a similar offering to AWS Lambda, plus it is not that hard to convert your code from the event handling pattern impose by AWS Lambda to a long running container running in K8s or VMs like you are doing yourself IMO the lock-in fear is overblown as the top cloud offerings (S3, Lambdas, K8s as a service etc) are already commoditized among the top providers, the exception being specialized data…

Most cloud providers have the same exact issue that AWS has: they're US based.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by sylware »

notahacker wrote: post #28
raverbashing wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be fooling yourself if you think any moderately complex company still hasn't moved to the cloud or isn't thinking about it (with rare exceptions)

Yeah, not really sure how a globally distributed manufacturing operation with a complex supply chain and customers all over the world that need access to data for their operations is supposed to function effectively without it. (and I say that as someone that used to sell commercial aviation data that came on CDs...)

I don't think this is related to that "critical" stuff.

It seems there is a misunderstanding over the classification of 'critical' stuff.

We may all have a very different definition.

All I know: the second your are connected to internet, you are cooked.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by xorcist »

unmole wrote: post #23
flumpcakes wrote: post #3

Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech, reinforcing the US's position as a global powerhouse. (Meanwhile US tech is built on the shoulders of their allies.) Now we see these same allies are starting to look inward and invest in technology they own completely because the US is acting decisively not like an ally. Something unthinkable since WW2. I don'…

> Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech This is a disingenuous straw man. The allies are derided for literally freeloading on US military protection while underinvesting in their own defense.

Pray tell, how much of, say, the latest Afghanistan war did the US pay and how much do their allies need to bear? The rebuilding of a whole country, the reinstatement of the Taliban regime, the destabilization of the region, and the still ongoing stream of refugees? The political aftermath of which is still felt in Europe.

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Post by saubeidl »

f1shy wrote: post #54
digitalengineer wrote: post #29

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And where would Silicon Valley be without CERN, that created the www?

This trope with CERN/EU created the WWW is just chauvinism. That contribution to the internet is just infinitesimal small. Just stop repeating it as it was the cornerstone of today’s world. Is just one little stone in a gigantic castle made in the united states. I’m European, and I think is just silly to look who “invented” each thing, trying to feel patriotic about that. Every invention is based on other inventions,…

Is the castle made in the US? Why cut it off at precisely that point?

Where was binary logic invented? Where was boolean algebra invented? Where was the turing machine invented?

Hell, we can go back even further. Where would any of this be without Aristotle?

Of course, this castle has been built by many many stones. But I think it's fair to say most stones came from Europe.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

bambax wrote: post #42
hulitu wrote: post #12

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> Good, and them get ride of Palantir as a "data manager". And how do we fight terrorists, CSAM and political opponents without Palantir ?

Your comment may be sarcastic, IDK; but if it is I concur. Fighting "CSAM" is absurd and ridiculous, and used as a justification for eroding public liberties. So is the fight against "terrorism". The US government has decided to kill innocent fishermen en masse and labelled its victims "narco-terrorists" as a justification for these crimes. We absolutely do not need Palantir.

> Fighting "CSAM" is absurd and ridiculous, and used as a justification for eroding public liberties. So is the fight against "terrorism".

Labelling like this works both ways you know.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by g-mork »

sunshine-o wrote: post #51

He is my free advise for Airbus: 1/ First migrate out your "17 years Accenture veteran" executive vice president of digital [0] (who probably sold you MS and Google cloud in the first place) 2/ Then appoint any inside good engineer and ask him to investigate this: "As one of the most prominent and sensitive aerospace corporation, do you think we can setup servers and run our software on it?" If the answer is no, Airb…

do you really suppose replicating the technical requirements of a security-sensitive company of this size in-house would be so easy? I've been doing infrastructure for 25 years and wouldn't want anywhere near this project. but what you will no doubt find is a pool of overconfident volunteers creating exactly the kind of risk outsourcing the problem allowed them to avoid in the first place
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