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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by sunshine-o »

He is my free advise for Airbus:

1/ First migrate out your "17 years Accenture veteran" executive vice president of digital [0] (who probably sold you MS and Google cloud in the first place)

2/ Then appoint any inside good engineer and ask him to investigate this: "As one of the most prominent and sensitive aerospace corporation, do you think we can setup servers and run our software on it?"

If the answer is no, Airbus might not be fit for the 21th century.

- [0] https://www.airbus.com/en/about-us/our-governance/catherine-...

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by mft_ »

wrxd wrote: post #49

> estimates only an 80/20 chance of finding a suitable provider It would be nice to know what the requirements are. There are plenty of providers in the EU happy to sell cloud services

They should read HN.

Don’t they know you can get Hetzner servers starting from $5/month?

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by pona-a »

sylware wrote: post #46
hulitu wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Airbus is putting all its design on internet? wow... Not only Airbus. You see, cloud is secure, information is encrypted and only you have access to your data.

It would be reasonably "secure" if it is encrypted on a physically private network using in-house _modified_ _mainstream_ encryption algorithm, then after an over-the-air transfer then you can store it on a third party could under the control of foreign interests. Oh, don't forget the file names have to be encrypted too. Everything else is, I am sorry to say, BS.

> in-house _modified_ _mainstream_ encryption algorithm

Why would a company without cryptographic expertise modifying an existing algorithm without any particular goal in mind just to be different, produce something more secure than the winning solution in an open cryptographic competition?

> directory names

And file structure too, preferably. Incremental sync could be done with XTS mode.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by f1shy »

digitalengineer wrote: post #29
tacker2000 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldnt say its laziness. The US has a long history of funding the Silicon Valley expansion using Darpa and other federal agencies for example. Europe never had such a thing, and they had a fragmented market for a long time. The big money is in the US, thats why the talent goes there.

And where would Silicon Valley be without CERN, that created the www?

This trope with CERN/EU created the WWW is just chauvinism. That contribution to the internet is just infinitesimal small. Just stop repeating it as it was the cornerstone of today’s world.

Is just one little stone in a gigantic castle made in the united states. I’m European, and I think is just silly to look who “invented” each thing, trying to feel patriotic about that. Every invention is based on other inventions, research, ideas and necessities around the world. Trying to put flags on it, is just stupid.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

mft_ wrote: post #52
wrxd wrote: post #49

> estimates only an 80/20 chance of finding a suitable provider It would be nice to know what the requirements are. There are plenty of providers in the EU happy to sell cloud services

They should read HN. Don’t they know you can get Hetzner servers starting from $5/month?

Lmao but in all honesty, there are a lot of european cloud providers that I know and they are even cheaper than american counterparts like aws, azure, gcp. Personally I like european cloud too but I dont have so much as an preference and it depends but the current environment of america does seem a little hostile but not the fault of datacenters in america but I hope that hostility slows down

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by AndroTux »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #55
mft_ wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should read HN. Don’t they know you can get Hetzner servers starting from $5/month?

Lmao but in all honesty, there are a lot of european cloud providers that I know and they are even cheaper than american counterparts like aws, azure, gcp. Personally I like european cloud too but I dont have so much as an preference and it depends but the current environment of america does seem a little hostile but not the fault of datacenters in america but I hope that hostility slows down

There are a lot of European “cloud” providers, but there’s not one that offers anything even close to AWS/GCP/Cloudflare. If you need more than compute and S3, you’re pretty much SOL.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by esperent »

It seems every single comment in the thread is understanding "cloud" here to mean AWS vs Hetzner. But it's clear from the first paragraph of the article that what they actually mean is MS 365 Dynamics vs SAP. They primarily want a managed ERP + CRM solution, not servers.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by sylware »

pona-a wrote: post #53
sylware wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be reasonably "secure" if it is encrypted on a physically private network using in-house _modified_ _mainstream_ encryption algorithm, then after an over-the-air transfer then you can store it on a third party could under the control of foreign interests. Oh, don't forget the file names have to be encrypted too. Everything else is, I am sorry to say, BS.

> in-house _modified_ _mainstream_ encryption algorithm Why would a company without cryptographic expertise modifying an existing algorithm without any particular goal in mind just to be different, produce something more secure than the winning solution in an open cryptographic competition? > directory names And file structure too, preferably. Incremental sync could be done with XTS mode.

You need only cryptographic common sense: it seems you have no idea how much it is easy to modify a mainstream cryptographic software to add basic and robust cryptographic modifications...

Are you an AI?

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by reese_john »

general1465 wrote: post #31
jillesvangurp wrote: post #20

Much of what people call cloud is a commodity at this point. If you need vms, object storage, load balancers, vpcs, etc., which is what most people would need, that works in a lot of solutions. And you can usually also find managed databases, redis, and a few other bits and bobs. If you like Kubernetes (I personally don't), the whole point of that is that it kind of works everywhere. People over pay for AWS mostly be…

> If you are married to AWS, that's a weakness in itself I have tried Lambdas and then got this "oh-shit moment" when I have realized that if AWS would be to kick me out, I would be absolutely screwed. Now I am slowly dispersing and using VMs instead and avoiding all the AWS-specific stuff as much as I can.

Most cloud providers have a similar offering to AWS Lambda, plus it is not that hard to convert your code from the event handling pattern impose by AWS Lambda to a long running container running in K8s or VMs like you are doing yourself

IMO the lock-in fear is overblown as the top cloud offerings (S3, Lambdas, K8s as a service etc) are already commoditized among the top providers, the exception being specialized databases like DynamoDB, Spanner, Cosmos …

Not saying there wouldn’t be some major work to switch your operations from eg AWS to GCP, but it is also not a hard lock-in

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