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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by MangoToupe »

breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

> You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it.

It's not clear that europe even trusts europe anymore. Especially with french and german economic dominance looking shakier than ever, debt financing an unpopular war in the east piling up, mounting deficits, industry collapse, youth unemployment... european countries (or greenland for that matter) could do a whole lot worse than turning to china.

Agreed, though, that reliance on US is foolhardy. I can't make any sense of why we're trying to saw the feet off our own economy.

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Post by throw0101c »

unmole wrote: post #23
flumpcakes wrote: post #3

Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech, reinforcing the US's position as a global powerhouse. (Meanwhile US tech is built on the shoulders of their allies.) Now we see these same allies are starting to look inward and invest in technology they own completely because the US is acting decisively not like an ally. Something unthinkable since WW2. I don'…

> Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech This is a disingenuous straw man. The allies are derided for literally freeloading on US military protection while underinvesting in their own defense.

> The allies are derided for literally freeloading on US military protection while underinvesting in their own defense.

1. No one forced the US to spend a bajillion dollars on defense.

2. The US did so out of their own free will, and out of self-interest: their power hegemony allowed for peaceful trade routes that benefited the US economy and US corporations.

3. Their own defense against what? What threats, until fairly recently, did the Europeans face that they needed to spend money protecting against?

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by arrrg »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #103
breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

For decades trusting the US was no problem at all. The relationship was mutually beneficial. Cooperation and trust among nations is possible and Juche (completely self-reliance) is not a worthwhile goal at all. So, sure, cooperation is great and should always be a goal – it also secures peace (people who are economically intertwined are less likely to go to war with each other).

The issue is the US burning up that earned mutual trust. And at some point you have to sadly abandon ship. Cooperation is great, trade is great, but not under all circumstances and all the time.

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Post by andsoitis »

carlosjobim wrote: post #112
alphager wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disbanding the EU is an official goal of the new US security strategy.

The EU is not Europe. I never see any pro-EU sentiment anywhere besides on HN and Reddit. Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power. Except for the Germans.

> Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power.

Your framing is off, I'm afraid.

Across Europe, most people see the EU as more good than bad, especially compared to the alternative of countries acting alone. At the same time, support is often cautious rather than enthusiastic.

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Post by MangoToupe »

Lapel2742 wrote: post #87
pembrook wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe should be building domestic digital capacity regardless (and not just servers) but saying it needs to treat the US like China is a bit melodramatic given the economic and physical threat to Europe is 10X greater in the east. The US is not anti-Europe. The US has just begun to start evaluating its relationship with Europe rationally and wants it to grow up beyond the post-WW2 training wheels. The overreaction t…

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> want to annex a European territory

Greenland is not in europe. It may be a danish colony but that doesn't make it "european territory" any more than french guiana is. EU territory? Sure. But europe is a penninsula on the western flank of eurasia.

Edit: huh I had no idea how complicated the classification of eu territories is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_territories_of_members...

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by Amezarak »

saubeidl wrote: post #118
Amezarak wrote: post #116

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If the #2 or #1 most popular political party in Germany are "literal Neonazis", I think Germany and likely Europe as a whole has a much bigger problem than whatever America is doing.

Those two are not unrelated. It's a result of deliberate media manipulation and hybrid warfare by the US and Russia.

I see.

Well, foreign intervention and propaganda in democracies is nothing new. It is well documented all the way back to the time of ancient Greece.

So your contention is that in Germany and perhaps other countries (France?) some of the most popular political parties are popular only because their partisans are uneducated dupes or worse, in thrall to foreign powers. Perhaps you would be better off ideologically not supporting democracy - it sounds like it is not for you. Of course democracy has its problems - and people voting for dumb ideas is one of them!

You can either accept that it's your duty to convince your citizens you are right to win their votes, or you can insist that everyone else is wrong and democracy means they should shut up and vote only the "right" way in accordance with establishment approved opinions and go about what Europe has been doing, which is to continue to pursue unpopular policies and blame Russiia/nazis/America/the Internet/free speech for their problems.

European center and left parties could suck all the oxygen out of the room and starve the far-right overnight if they simply introduced and enforced major immigration restrictions - but it's precisely this which is not a Establishment Approved Idea and deemed Unthinkable Hate. Democracy, as long as your opinions are allowed.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by saubeidl »

carlosjobim wrote: post #112
alphager wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disbanding the EU is an official goal of the new US security strategy.

The EU is not Europe. I never see any pro-EU sentiment anywhere besides on HN and Reddit. Talk to Europeans and they hate the EU and see it as an oppressive foreign power. Except for the Germans.

That is more indicative of the company you keep than the actual reality on the ground.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/657860/member-states-show-stron...

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Post by Lapel2742 »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #115
Lapel2742 wrote: post #87

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> It was supposed to be something akin to United States of Europe

No, it never was.

> but instead in devolved into a bureaucracy

No it hasn't:

"There are two striking aspects of this rejection of EU bureaucracy. First, in comparison with other, comparable entities, such as the US federal bureaucracy, the EU’s administrative apparatus has a marginal size. Specifically, the EU, which is responsible for more than 440 million citizens, employs only around 60,000 people, while the US federal bureaucracy has more than two million employees that govern a territory with about 330 million inhabitants. Accordingly, the EU bureaucracy is comparatively small and far from being the “bureaucratic monster” which it is frequently portrayed as."

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2023/09/04/why-do-so-many...

> that regulates the shit out if everything,

I'm thankful for that. That is why our food is way better and way healthier than the shit the US makes it's citizens eat.

> is incredibly socialist and the EC thinks it is above everyone else.

LOL. No it's not "socialist" and the European Commission is the executive branch of the European Union. If you really think the Commission behaves as if they are above everything else (they do not!), I pull an American president.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

saubeidl wrote: post #86
pembrook wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe should be building domestic digital capacity regardless (and not just servers) but saying it needs to treat the US like China is a bit melodramatic given the economic and physical threat to Europe is 10X greater in the east. The US is not anti-Europe. The US has just begun to start evaluating its relationship with Europe rationally and wants it to grow up beyond the post-WW2 training wheels. The overreaction t…

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by MangoToupe »

LadyCailin wrote: post #95
pembrook wrote: post #91

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Project 2025 was just political rage bait and rumors too, until it wasn’t.

It can be both. The document is massive, very contradictory and incoherent, and most of the people hysterical over it haven't even read it. Look I'm no fan of the trump administration but people should have concrete concerns, not waving around "project 2025" like some symbol of the country's imminent collapse. Unfortunately, our country is nowhere near collapse and this administration is not going to be the thing to bring it down. Though they're trying their hardest, i will admit.
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