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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by andsoitis »

Lapel2742 wrote: post #128
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #115

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> It was supposed to be something akin to United States of Europe No, it never was. > but instead in devolved into a bureaucracy No it hasn't: "There are two striking aspects of this rejection of EU bureaucracy. First, in comparison with other, comparable entities, such as the US federal bureaucracy, the EU’s administrative apparatus has a marginal size. Specifically, the EU, which is responsible for more than 440 mi…

> That is why our food is way better and way healthier than the shit the US makes it's citizens eat.

The US optimized for convenience, affordability, and variety.

You can eat very healthily in the US, but it requires more intentional choices. In many (not all) EU countries, the default option is closer to healthy.

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Post by systemBuilder »

pembrook wrote: post #91
saubeidl wrote: post #86

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This article is about FAFO for MAGA loyalists in the USA. Well, MAGA has FA'd with US-European relations. Now they get to FO where it takes us (i.e. over the waterfall, isolating the USA from everything good in the world.)

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by ulfw »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #103
breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Using this logic, every country should develop its own critical equipment from scratch, in terms of both hardware and software. My belief is that there is no problem with the Chinese equipment, just scare-mongering from the US because it has no manufa…

We can see the same with everything in the US.

Huawei became very competitive to Apple. Outsold Apple in it's home market. Huawei got banned.

DJI has a near monopoly on drones. No US company could compete and players like GoPro shut down their consumer drone projects. DJI got/is about to get banned.

Tiktok was dangerous to Meta. TikTok got almost banned/forced-sold.

Chinese EVs are better than almost any US offering. Chinese EVs got banned (by 100%+ tarrifs on them).

Sale of AI and Chips to China got banned. No ChatGPT or Claude offered to us here in Hong Kong.

This is all the US Tech sector can do now. Short term this will go very well but long term this leads to the US falling behind and behind because American companies have artificially created barriers where they aren't forced to comepete anymore, meanwhile the world moves on and has a competitive environment. Innovation will move faster Ex-USA

I fly a DJI Mini 5 Pro, use a Huawei Freeclip 2 earphone, a Huawei GT6 watch, a Xiaomi Silicon Carbon powerbank, an Oppo Find N5 foldable. Most are better/unique compared to what you can even get in America. And that's only the beginning. That's only 2025.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by andsoitis »

saubeidl wrote: post #86
pembrook wrote: post #83

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Europe should be building domestic digital capacity regardless (and not just servers) but saying it needs to treat the US like China is a bit melodramatic given the economic and physical threat to Europe is 10X greater in the east. The US is not anti-Europe. The US has just begun to start evaluating its relationship with Europe rationally and wants it to grow up beyond the post-WW2 training wheels. The overreaction t…

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> The US literally wrote a national security strategy describing that it wants to dismantle the EU.

The official 2025 NSS document does not explicitly state a US goal to dismantle the European Union.

The strategy is highly critical of the EU's direction and Europe's trajectory in ways that critics could say could indirectly undermine EU cohesion, but there's no formal language saying the US wants to dismantle the EU.

Critics interpret the tone and strategic shift as potentially indirectly weakening EU cohesion if taken as encouragement to nationalist or Eurosceptic political forces.

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by ulfw »

petcat wrote: post #80
breve wrote: post #4

A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe. The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h... The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure.…

> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Doesn't Europe actually have a lot of Chinese equipment in their telecom infrastructure? Is this an effort just to try not to make that mistake again?

No, not a lot as the EU has two very competitive providers in Ericsson and Nokia

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Post by Amezarak »

xorcist wrote: post #67
unmole wrote: post #23

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> Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech This is a disingenuous straw man. The allies are derided for literally freeloading on US military protection while underinvesting in their own defense.

Pray tell, how much of, say, the latest Afghanistan war did the US pay and how much do their allies need to bear? The rebuilding of a whole country, the reinstatement of the Taliban regime, the destabilization of the region, and the still ongoing stream of refugees? The political aftermath of which is still felt in Europe.

Europe could have simply denied entry to the refugees and avoided their entire refugee problem. It's especially silly to blame the US when most EU states strongly supported the downfall of Qaddafi and Assad.

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Post by saubeidl »

andsoitis wrote: post #144
saubeidl wrote: post #86

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> The US literally wrote a national security strategy describing that it wants to dismantle the EU. The official 2025 NSS document does not explicitly state a US goal to dismantle the European Union. The strategy is highly critical of the EU's direction and Europe's trajectory in ways that critics could say could indirectly undermine EU cohesion, but there's no formal language saying the US wants to dismantle the EU.…

Heh there's two versions, the one with the spicier additions has not been officially published.

https://archive.ph/eT1FY

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Post by keepamovin »

jacquesm wrote: post #65
reese_john wrote: post #60

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Most cloud providers have a similar offering to AWS Lambda, plus it is not that hard to convert your code from the event handling pattern impose by AWS Lambda to a long running container running in K8s or VMs like you are doing yourself IMO the lock-in fear is overblown as the top cloud offerings (S3, Lambdas, K8s as a service etc) are already commoditized among the top providers, the exception being specialized data…

Most cloud providers have the same exact issue that AWS has: they're US based.

Not Hetzner tho

Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by [deleted] »

andsoitis wrote: post #141
Lapel2742 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It was supposed to be something akin to United States of Europe No, it never was. > but instead in devolved into a bureaucracy No it hasn't: "There are two striking aspects of this rejection of EU bureaucracy. First, in comparison with other, comparable entities, such as the US federal bureaucracy, the EU’s administrative apparatus has a marginal size. Specifically, the EU, which is responsible for more than 440 mi…

> That is why our food is way better and way healthier than the shit the US makes it's citizens eat. The US optimized for convenience, affordability, and variety. You can eat very healthily in the US, but it requires more intentional choices. In many (not all) EU countries, the default option is closer to healthy.

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Re: Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

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Post by cpursley »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #88
petcat wrote: post #80

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> It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it. Doesn't Europe actually have a lot of Chinese equipment in their telecom infrastructure? Is this an effort just to try not to make that mistake again?

Europe will just end up doing whatever is cheapest. It's the same story as always. They'll say some stuff publicly but they'll quietly come back to American tech once they see the price tag difference. They're very cost sensitive and their investors are extremely risk-averse.

Yep - just look at their oil/energy situation: they still buy it by the boatload from you know who, but just through 3rd parties.
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