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lots of people seem to trust apple
Yes but Apple is also avoiding collecting a huge amount of data, e.g. by doing things on-device.
Ok, keep telling yourself that as you can’t remove iCloud…
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lots of people seem to trust apple
Apple has actually proven itself over a long period of time on this issue. Maybe Mozilla has as well (do they encrypt telemetry logs etc for people with a Mozilla login?) but I haven't heard so much about that.
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He is saying that no one outside of the US will trust them with their data, because of the US Cloud Act and similar legislation. There is a reason Proton & Co are based in Switzerland and not in the US
They can compete where the alternatives are also US based services. They can compete in the US. There are also many people who are more concerned about privacy from businesses than from governments. There are also people who are more concerned about privacy from their own government than a foreign government. Although the Cloud Act and similar issues with the US are much discussed here, I see no sign it loses America…
> There are also many people who are more concerned about privacy from businesses than from governments.
We're living in an interesting time that may (or may well not!) turn out to be a pivot point in this question. People being ICE'd based on data traces they leave in commercial products may well make this kind of question more tangible to non-technical folks.
> Although the Cloud Act and similar issues with the US are much discussed here, I see no sign it loses American big tech much business.
If that is true (which it may or may not be) then it would also mean competing on privacy isn't a winning move, whether within or outside the US.
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Apple has actually proven itself over a long period of time on this issue. Maybe Mozilla has as well (do they encrypt telemetry logs etc for people with a Mozilla login?) but I haven't heard so much about that.
Wrong. Apple explicitly preserves a backdoor in the e2ee of iMessage for the USG.
Source?
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> They have for decades been wasting their time and money on everything BUT Firefox They invest the vast majority of their resources in Firefox. And they have had some incredible successes: Rust, Let's Encrypt ... > How can somebody like Mitchell Baker be making millions of dollars a year while simultaneously seeing Firefox market share drop to damn near zero? Maybe there was no realistic way to do better. Maybe than…
> They invest the vast majority of their resources in Firefox. Says who? I have never seen figures that show this. It also doesn't excuse the gigantic amounts of money wasted on irrelevant things, or executive salaries. > And they have had some incredible successes: Rust, Let's Encrypt ... That's pretty charitable. LE was a wider industry initiative, and while Rust was incubated in Mozilla AFAIK, they also let it sli…
Any other belief or possibility is "utterly shameless and indefensible", and therefore of suspect motivation. Doubt is difficult, but certainty is ridiculous (said someone).
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I agree most either have used it for a long time or because someone recommended it. It's nearly tautological. I disagree the recommendations for the average user only/primarily come from The 200 million normal users can also recommend trying to use Firefox all the time to their friends again, they just don't have a reason to do so because often, for their cares, Chrome and others are the ones with better target to th…
You do realise their userbase has been consistently dwindling right? For the last decade almost.
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I agree most either have used it for a long time or because someone recommended it. It's nearly tautological. I disagree the recommendations for the average user only/primarily come from The 200 million normal users can also recommend trying to use Firefox all the time to their friends again, they just don't have a reason to do so because often, for their cares, Chrome and others are the ones with better target to th…
You do realise their userbase has been consistently dwindling right? For the last decade almost.
Naturally - losing a few hundred million users is likely why they are trying to find a different strategy than focusing on privacy or what power users comment on in the following decade and expecting better results for some reason.
Mozilla's funding comes almost entirely from the Google search deal. They can't afford to let the user count continue to dwindle on a principled stance alone. They either need to find workable alternative income of the same scale (which they've tried at least a dozen things that didn't pan out) or try to focus on what the average user wants in a browser rather than what the GNU fan power user comments in tech forums. They don't need a few principled people to stick with it, they need to be popular with the average person again.
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For many reasons, one being that they were injecting urls with their affiliate codes to unsuspecting users.
This was in 2020. Brendan Eich addressed this in a blogpost iirc, with a perfectly plausible explanation. It seemed like a bad/unfortunate design decision, which happens all the time in software development and not the conspiracy theory people claimed it to be. It was fixed in a matter of days. If this is the main reason to not use Brave then I'm genuinly interested in hearing about the other reasons. I might learn s…
I don't think the past controversies were just unfortunate, "mistakes" or conspiracy theories, but products of their business model + opportunistic execution. I just don't trust brave and think I have better options for a browser. If I had to choose between brave and chrome, I would use brave. If you like/prefer using brave, honestly good for you.
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Are you sure of that? There have been alternatives to Microsoft Office for decades. Yet most businesses use and pay for Microsoft Office, even though their employees most likely don't need anything that doesn't exist in those alternatives. Why would it be different with email?
I don't think you understand what I was writing about - none of that is MS Office. Thats another topic, but without this (and say some sort of domain propagation rules) bigger corporations will never move out of MS.
My understanding is that you say "someone could make an alternative to X and that would kill Microsoft because everybody hates Microsoft".
My answer is "there have been examples of alternatives to Microsoft products for decades, and it hasn't killed Microsoft at all, so I don't see why it would be different for another service (in your case, email)".
Did I misunderstand your point?