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Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by freehorse »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #787
MarsIronPI wrote: post #695

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> - Mozilla Search - metasearch that isn't based on Bing/DDG/Google As much hate as Brave gets overall, I think Mozilla should take a page from Brave's book if they're going to make a search engine. I think they should have their own index, possibly supplemented by Bing or Google. Let people opt-in to using their browsers to help crawl for the search engine index, like Brave does. Then add in some power-user features…

Why is Brave getting hate? Their browsers are treating me very well on mobile and desktop. I am always horrified when I see how the web looks for other people with all ads.

For many reasons, one being that they were injecting urls with their affiliate codes to unsuspecting users.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by account42 »

pseudalopex wrote: post #485
ethbr1 wrote: post #478

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1000% The two places it's mind boggling that Mozilla doesn't have a product are (1) identity (especially as a provider to 3rd parties) and (2) instant messaging (especially on mobile). They were important 10 years ago, they're more important today, and the existing providers all have huge privacy concerns.

What would be Mozilla's revenue model for instant messaging?

They could start acting like the nonprofit they are supposedly are instead of LARPing as silicon valley tech bros.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by account42 »

gkoberger wrote: post #422
macspoofing wrote: post #419

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> What Mozilla is good at ... Firefox - the one thing they do not want to work on is the only thing that makes them special.

They do work on it. A lot. But the issue is browsers don't make money. You can't charge for it, you can't add ads to it, etc. You're competing with the biggest companies in the world (Google, Apple), all of whom are happy to subsidize a browser for other reasons.

That should not be a problem for a nonprofit which the Mozilla foundation supposedly is.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by rvba »

gkoberger wrote: post #275

Having worked at Mozilla a while ago, the CEO role is one I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Success is oddly defined: it's a non-profit (well, a for-profit owned by a non-profit) that needs to make a big profit in a short amount of time. And anything done to make that profit will annoy the community. I hope Anthony leans into what makes Mozilla special. The past few years, Mozilla's business model has been to just m…

Every time Mozilla CEO changes HN gets a set of "its so difficult" propaganda

Those CEOs get 6M per year and cannot figure out to focus on core product: Mozilla, keep a war chest, dont spend on politics.

Also cut all bullshit projects that are made for self promotion and dont help Mozilla as a browser.

When will real extensions return? Never?

Now they want to kill adblocks too

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by rvba »

CuriousRose wrote: post #658
gkoberger wrote: post #275

Having worked at Mozilla a while ago, the CEO role is one I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Success is oddly defined: it's a non-profit (well, a for-profit owned by a non-profit) that needs to make a big profit in a short amount of time. And anything done to make that profit will annoy the community. I hope Anthony leans into what makes Mozilla special. The past few years, Mozilla's business model has been to just m…

Fully agree with this. - Mozilla SSL Certs - for corporations that don't want Let's Encrypt - Mozilla Mail - a reliable Exchange/Google Mail alternative (desperately needed imo) - Thunderbird for iOS - why is this not a thing yet? - Mozilla Search - metasearch that isn't based on Bing/DDG/Google - Mozilla HTTPS DNS - although Cloudflare will probably always do this better All seemingly low-hanging fruit with brand al…

Nobody wants this.

People want firefox.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by betamint »

I think the fundamental problem with Firefox and Mozilla is, that people want an organization to maximize Firefox, but Mozilla is an organization maximizing something else while preserving Firefox.

The fundamental problem is expectation and reality mismatch, and is being 'solved' from two directions: new ideal browsers, or criticism of Mozilla in the hope that it improves.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by Orygin »

throw10920 wrote: post #748
array_key_first wrote: post #539

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> It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. Basically every product Mozilla releases is immediately met with extreme scourn and scepticism. While everyone else seems to get the benefit of the doubt, including the likes of Google, Mozilla seems to get the exact opposite of that. You have any evidence for this - that is, that the same subsets of users are being hard on Mozilla and soft on Google? Because that's prett…

Of course it's probably not the same user base. But the point imo is that users did use it and get value out of it, even if die hard users cried hard their browser was invaded and that Mozilla lost the plot.

We even have commenters here saying Pocket lost Firefox some market share (without any evidence or argument in favor, so a gut feeling too), but nobody to say that maybe the feature was used by some? And maybe that was a pull for Firefox vs Chrome. (I'm not saying it was, I'm just saying we don't know)

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by fsflover »

mafuy wrote: post #793
vpShane wrote: post #737

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They didn't 'win' - use a laptop. Phones are decent for certain things but no, you don't need to use WhatsApp, IoT apps -- most have bluetooth, and you don't have to 'interact with modern society' Interact with good circles of people and stuff. I mean, it's cool that my pixel is some mini high powered TPU computer that can run apps, F-Droid etc, but I only really care about the 5g data link within it. If any app refu…

Don't close your eyes from reality. I am forced to use a phone app to log in into any of the several banks that I use. There is no web version.

I use Librem 5 as a daily driver. I switched my bank to avoid an app. I do my banking on their website.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by account42 »

shevy-java wrote: post #396
mixmastamyk wrote: post #313

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The job was always very easy, fire all of the pure managers and sock the google money into an endowment before it runs out. Then focus on privacy as you mentioned. They’ve taken in several billion dollars by now. Let that sink in. They're supposedly a non-profit, so this plan is the well-trodden playbook. But of course no Manager instance could imagine such a thing. Cue Upton Sinclair quote.

Indeed - Google successfully undermined Mozilla here. It was a huge mistake to get addicted to the Google money; now it is too late to change it.

Technically the foundation could still change the direction. But they won't because leadership is essentially shared between the corp and foundation.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by account42 »

zug_zug wrote: post #354
gkoberger wrote: post #346

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Well, they have over a billion in the bank. Which is both a ton of money, but also goes away quickly when you're a large company paying lots of money to salaries.

So if you have a billion in the bank, you can collect 5% return and never touch the money. So you get $50m a year to pay enough engineers to make a browser. That's plenty of money if they recognize they need a super lean company with 0 bloat and a few highly paid experts who focus on correctness and not bullshit features.

But then they can't LARP as a silicon valley tech giant with million dollar CEO salaries.
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