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Post by input_sh »

estimator7292 wrote: post #735
MarsIronPI wrote: post #695

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> - Mozilla Search - metasearch that isn't based on Bing/DDG/Google As much hate as Brave gets overall, I think Mozilla should take a page from Brave's book if they're going to make a search engine. I think they should have their own index, possibly supplemented by Bing or Google. Let people opt-in to using their browsers to help crawl for the search engine index, like Brave does. Then add in some power-user features…

They could partner with Kagi. Pretty much everyone trusts Kagi, so if Mozilla convinces them to get on board, Mozilla must be actually serious about being trustworthy.

> Pretty much everyone trusts Kagi

...on a forum run by its investors whose goal is to push Kagi, sure. Outside of this forum, nobody knows about a fringe little search engine that is paywalled and only has 62k users.

For a brand like Mozilla, even something as dumb as Ecosia would be a better fit, as they have about 250x the number of users of Kagi.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by nottorp »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #553
nottorp wrote: post #393

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> donations which to be honest does not work It would work if I knew my donations go towards the fucking browser and not towards "AI" or whatever the craze was before it. Since they refuse to do that, I don't donate.

How man large software projects do that? Blender and...? Mozilla would have to become like Wikipedia, with a large fundraising focus. Its not like Wikipedia evades criticism for that approach.

I think Firefox has a sizable minority of users that are aware of its importance and would donate for "a fucking browser".

Tbh I would also donate for a nagging team that publicly pressures various corporate sites into continuing to support firefox (like my cell phone provider, i can't download invoices with FF since 3 months).

What I wouldn't donate for is "me too" initiatives like "AI" and corporate bullshit. Or even charity initiatives if done by Mozilla. It's not Mozilla's job. Their job is to keep a working browser alternative up.

And as it's been stated in techie discussions time and time again, they don't need to be that large for just "a fucking browser". But that would diminish the CEO's status so we get what we have now instead.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by skywal_l »

hosteur wrote: post #437
pseudalopex wrote: post #339

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Mozilla spent $260 million on software development in 2023.[1] How do you believe they spent it? Vivaldi employ 28 developers to produce an unstable Chromium fork and email program for comparison.[2] [1] https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2024/mozilla-fdn-202... [2] https://vivaldi.com/team/

Well, I do not believe $260 million went to Firefox development. I would be surprised if the majority of that went to other non-Firefox projects like: Various AI initiatives (Mozilla.ai, Orbit, etc.) Mozilla VPN Mozilla Monitor Pocket Firefox Relay Fakespot Mozilla Social Mozilla Hubs ... just to name a few.

You forgot CEO comp: 7.000.000 in 2022[0]

[0]: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-990...

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by skywal_l »

glenstein wrote: post #455
hosteur wrote: post #437

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Well, I do not believe $260 million went to Firefox development. I would be surprised if the majority of that went to other non-Firefox projects like: Various AI initiatives (Mozilla.ai, Orbit, etc.) Mozilla VPN Mozilla Monitor Pocket Firefox Relay Fakespot Mozilla Social Mozilla Hubs ... just to name a few.

I think you're probably about as dead wrong as it's possible to be on this front. First they ship millions of new LoC to Firefox on a monthly basis so the engineering efforts are open for all the world to see. Secondly, if more than half(!?!) was spent on, say, Pocket, or Fakespot, then you would see a rise and fall in spending coinciding with the onramp and closure of those programs over their lifetimes. But in real…

> First they ship millions of new LoC to Firefox on a monthly basis so the engineering efforts are open for all the world to see.

Who is they? You mean the thousands of unpaid developers?[0]

[0]https://openhub.net/p/firefox/factoids

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by hermanzegerman »

fsflover wrote: post #779
Tepix wrote: post #777

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As a US corporation, Mozilla cannot compete on privacy focused services. If they want to focus on privacy (which I think is great), they should ship software that improves privacy, not offer services.

Are you saying that a warrant canary isn't useful?

He is saying that no one outside of the US will trust them with their data, because of the US Cloud Act and similar legislation.

There is a reason Proton & Co are based in Switzerland and not in the US

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Post by moltopoco »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #765
dabockster wrote: post #630

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I switched to Brave. Even with its cryptocurrency stuff bundled, it's easily disabled and not in your face at all. And their adblock tech is an amazing uBlock successor.

I stopped using Brave after they began to shove ads into the splash screen.

That is also easily disabled. I think there are five or six things that I need to disable in a fresh Brave installation and then it's perfect.

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Post by vjvjvjvjghv »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #695
CuriousRose wrote: post #658

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Fully agree with this. - Mozilla SSL Certs - for corporations that don't want Let's Encrypt - Mozilla Mail - a reliable Exchange/Google Mail alternative (desperately needed imo) - Thunderbird for iOS - why is this not a thing yet? - Mozilla Search - metasearch that isn't based on Bing/DDG/Google - Mozilla HTTPS DNS - although Cloudflare will probably always do this better All seemingly low-hanging fruit with brand al…

> - Mozilla Search - metasearch that isn't based on Bing/DDG/Google As much hate as Brave gets overall, I think Mozilla should take a page from Brave's book if they're going to make a search engine. I think they should have their own index, possibly supplemented by Bing or Google. Let people opt-in to using their browsers to help crawl for the search engine index, like Brave does. Then add in some power-user features…

Why is Brave getting hate? Their browsers are treating me very well on mobile and desktop. I am always horrified when I see how the web looks for other people with all ads.

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Post by vjvjvjvjghv »

zug_zug wrote: post #354
gkoberger wrote: post #346

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Well, they have over a billion in the bank. Which is both a ton of money, but also goes away quickly when you're a large company paying lots of money to salaries.

So if you have a billion in the bank, you can collect 5% return and never touch the money. So you get $50m a year to pay enough engineers to make a browser. That's plenty of money if they recognize they need a super lean company with 0 bloat and a few highly paid experts who focus on correctness and not bullshit features.

Exactly! With such an endowment they should be able to develop a browser and maybe some other stuff with a small team that’s focused on tech and not social justice.

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Post by belorn »

safety1st wrote: post #750
wtallis wrote: post #674

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Price is irrelevant. Mozilla's behavior with Pocket was at odds with Mozilla's stated goals and values.

The broader discussion but especially this little exchange reminds me of a similar situation with Ubuntu. At one point they were the darling of the desktop Linux space and much beloved by an online community of highly principled people who didn't pay them anything. Those same people then utterly blasted them when they tried a few monetization/promotion features that fell flat, like the Amazon lens in Unity. I had no…

Ubuntu freeloaded on Debian so its fairly reasonable to consider the ubuntu skin to not be worth having if the result is advertisements being pushed onto users.

Companies that want to freeload on a free software community will always have a hard time. They may be praised in the beginning if they bring fresh and new energy, but trust is only going to work for so long until the "monetization features" starts being pushed. Historically that only works if the company reforms the original in such a way that it essentially is a completely different thing. Ubuntu today is still just a skin over Debian that users can easily replace.

Accidentally the best thing Ubuntu brought to Debian was the release schedule, which the Debian community adapted. Without that advantage there isn't much point to Ubuntu unless Canonical continuously pour a lot of money and developer time for free into the ecosystem. A lot of people commented at the time that such a thing wasn't sustainable.

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Post by aydyn »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #785
fsflover wrote: post #779

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Are you saying that a warrant canary isn't useful?

He is saying that no one outside of the US will trust them with their data, because of the US Cloud Act and similar legislation. There is a reason Proton & Co are based in Switzerland and not in the US

lots of people seem to trust apple
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