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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by joleyj »

ssl-3 wrote: post #795
joleyj wrote: post #596

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What’s the towing capacity of your van. How do you think it would do pulling a 6000 pound trailer?

Good question. I don't usually think of towing stuff because that's seldom been a part of my life. 3500 pounds is what Honda lists for towing capacity (same as a 2WD Honda Pilot, even though an AWD Honda Pilot with exactly the same engine and transmission is more like 5000). If towing capacity is defined as "what people can expect a thing to reliably do for many thousands of miles, in a row, over and over again" then…

Transmission coolers and suspension kits are great but one of the things that’s really even more important is the ability to stop it comfortably. I think it’s prudent to build in a safety margin of at least 25%. More is better here.

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Post by bluGill »

vel0city wrote: post #730
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This is getting into some F1 pitstop type behaviour. And that’s a race thy would be amusing to watch. Feed and toilet a family of four and also refuel the car. How long?

Right? These people are apparently taking off their seatbelts while rolling to the stop, sprinting to the bathroom, emptying their bowels in a few seconds, not thoroughly washing their hands, and sprinting back to the car as fast as they can to shave a few minutes off their several hour trip. God help them if there's only one toilet, I guess the family is going to share today. Forget that. Take your time. Be comforta…

I know more than one person who has done in 21 hours a trip that google says is 22. This is not safe, but it is done more often than many realize.

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Post by dpark »

ghaff wrote: post #850
dpark wrote: post #840

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I own a small/mid-size SUV (and a van) so I’m not judging your car choice, but why would you not be able to rent a truck in Boston? Home Depot, Lowe’s, U-Haul, and more all rent trucks.

I don't live in Boston--about 60 to 90 minutes outside. So, sure, I could pay for a delivery or rent something from Lowe's if I needed to for a specific purpose but I routinely use my mid-size SUV for weekend trips, transporting a canoe, picking up construction supplies, and the like. I need a vehicle in any case and it makes sense to own a somewhat larger one than I really need day to day to run to the grocery store…

If it’s a regular thing, yeah, renting becomes massively inconvenient because of the frequency. I misunderstood your comment to mean that even a 1-time rental would be extremely inconvenient somehow.

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Post by ssl-3 »

joleyj wrote: post #851
ssl-3 wrote: post #795

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Good question. I don't usually think of towing stuff because that's seldom been a part of my life. 3500 pounds is what Honda lists for towing capacity (same as a 2WD Honda Pilot, even though an AWD Honda Pilot with exactly the same engine and transmission is more like 5000). If towing capacity is defined as "what people can expect a thing to reliably do for many thousands of miles, in a row, over and over again" then…

Transmission coolers and suspension kits are great but one of the things that’s really even more important is the ability to stop it comfortably. I think it’s prudent to build in a safety margin of at least 25%. More is better here.

Sure.

And ideally, the trailer should have its own brakes and (mostly!) stop itself.

I've never found the brakes on an Odyssey to be particularly lacking on their own, even when loaded heavy in mountains. They're fine. 2-pistol calipers, decent-sized rotors. Nothing fancy, but also nothing lacking. The ABS behaves sanely.

The only thing I see people complain about is warping, but the causes of that are very varied (and may have nothing to do with anything actually being warped).

Like many vehicles, they get a lot better with good rotors that have cooling improvements, and well-selected not-ceramic pads.

It goes from "yeah, those are fine" to "Holy Toledo. My sunglasses just flew off of my face, and I think the seatbelt hurt my shoulder (but there was no crash, so it's fine)"

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Post by ProAm »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #607
ProAm wrote: post #379

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Wait until the R2 comes out for ~50% of the cost of an R1. They are the best EV out in terms of features and comfort and usability.

I would hope the most expensive EV is the best in terms of features and comfort and usability. If they can continue to be at 50% of the price is unknown.

I agree, they promised it to be ~50k so we will see. With the R1 Revisions where they reduced components and wiring I have hope!

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Post by MobiusHorizons »

godelski wrote: post #586
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I don't actually think people are driving around with high beams on. Modern LED headlights are just brighter, and cars are higher up than they used to be, meaning older lower cars, especially sedans are just in the path of regular beams. I actually yelled at someone once to turn off their high beams because I was so convinced that's what it was. turns out, they just drive a tesla, which just have blinding lights. I g…

While I think that's part of it I can assure you there's also a lot of people running around with their brights on. I've seen them switch (after aggressively flashing mine) and the brights are a wider beam. So it is not just the intensity. My running hypothesis is the autobright features on some cars is to blame. My friend drives around with his on and I definitely notice it doesn't properly react. > they just drive…

I live in a pretty urban area, so maybe that's why I haven't seen so many brights. I've heard the autobright theory and it certainly makes sense though, especially in areas where people have a reason to use their brights.

> [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3pTHSIYFlg

I believe this technology is generally called adaptive headlights, and is implemented in quite a few cars. I believe some quirk of US laws (which specifies brightness at various points in the beam) actually prevents this feature from being implemented. Really sucks, because these new LED headlights are really hard to stand at night.

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Post by behringer »

km144 wrote: post #808
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Trading in your new car at 4 years old sounds like bad math no matter what car you buy.

Have you seen the prices of pre-owned Honda/Toyota sedans that are less than 5 years old? There are absolutely cars out there where trading in your new car after 3-4 years can make sense depending on the cost of the car, the depreciation curve, and whether you want to always be driving a relatively new car. Of course it's almost always going to be a better value proposition to drive the car for 10 years if you can, b…

The math doesn't work when you calculate the same thing based on buying low mileage used cars or leases.

You're throwing large amounts of equity away every 4 years.

Also electric cars get killed on the depreciation curve.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

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160hp and 0-60 at 10seconds. Yikes. That does sound like a regular golf.

It’s quite sporty to drive but has about twice the torque you can easily put down with energy efficient ev tires in a small light FWD car so you need to go easy if you want tires to last. Handles great also. Those might be low specs nowadays but were respected performance car specs not long ago, and roads haven’t changed any- plus those were big specs at redline in a combustion engine, feels like a heck of a lot more…

What are you on about. 20 year basic crossover SUV has better 0-60.

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Post by ghaff »

dpark wrote: post #854
ghaff wrote: post #850

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I don't live in Boston--about 60 to 90 minutes outside. So, sure, I could pay for a delivery or rent something from Lowe's if I needed to for a specific purpose but I routinely use my mid-size SUV for weekend trips, transporting a canoe, picking up construction supplies, and the like. I need a vehicle in any case and it makes sense to own a somewhat larger one than I really need day to day to run to the grocery store…

If it’s a regular thing, yeah, renting becomes massively inconvenient because of the frequency. I misunderstood your comment to mean that even a 1-time rental would be extremely inconvenient somehow.

I don't need to transport 8 people around and I can always get mulch or gravel delivered. But, yeah, it's not uncommon for me to want to easily stuff a mid-size SUV's worth of stuff into my vehicle for a weekend or longer trip. I could probably do it with a somewhat smaller vehicle but why? The longer drives are probably when I need to do so anyway.

I did also have a smaller car as well when I did more shorter regular local drives but I really don't do those much any longer other than very local drives to the grocery store or nearby hiking trails.

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