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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by ben_w »

TheDong wrote: post #194
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #131

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> Cars are not critical infrastructure Their production infrastructure is. > the idea that China would turn off their EVs or starting to use them as weapons from the other side of the world is borderline absurd Is it? If we got into a shooting match with Beijing, would we not try to hijack Tesla’s OTA features to disrupt their economy?

If that's a normal thing to do, why aren't we hijacking russian teslas right now? Why haven't we made Microsoft push an OTA update to windows to bluescreen all military PCs in Russia? Why haven't we made Google and Apple push Android/iOS updates that cause all phones in Russia to crash? I'm confident that even if at war with China, the US would not hijack random civilian cars, yes. That's absolutely absurd.

> why aren't we hijacking russian teslas right now?

The USA isn't at war with Russia right now, despite what Russia may think about NATO (despite Ukraine still not even being in it) and proxy wars.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by bob1029 »

qingcharles wrote: post #395
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #247

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90% of F-150s are daily driver grocery-getters. That was the target for the Lightning, not truck stuff.

I live in an area that has probably >100% pick-up ownership per adult male. I've noticed that these people will not go to the grocery store on days when the weather is inclement due to the chance of the groceries getting wet. Seems like a bad vehicle for grocery runs.

> I've noticed that these people will not go to the grocery store on days when the weather is inclement due to the chance of the groceries getting wet.

A modern pickup truck can fit the payload capacity of an entire Honda civic in the back of the cab. I've never seen someone put sacks of groceries in the bed of their truck. Maybe packs of water or charcoal, but no one is putting their produce and boxed goods back there.

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Post by Amezarak »

Mawr wrote: post #551
SoftTalker wrote: post #375

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Also, a truck can be used like a car. But a car cannot be used like a truck. If you need to haul 4x8 sheets of plywood or drywall, dimensional lumber, piping, ladders, etc a truck (or work van) is pretty much it. If I could only afford one car it would be a truck.

And sure, for the exact target demographic of carpenters and such that's... false . What you do is get a regular car that's great for everyday stuff and buy a trailer. You get a flatbed that's what, 4x the size of the one on your truck? And it's cheap, at knee-level, and detachable, so you only pay the cost of inconvenience and extra fuel when you use it, not all the time. You won't use it much anyway, because a regu…

Millions of people in the US do their own carpentry. In fact, there are orders of magnitude more DIY carpenters than there are professionals.

> And it's cheap, at knee-level, and detachable, so you only pay the cost of inconvenience and extra fuel when you use it, not all the time.

You can also hook a trailer up to a truck, giving yourself even more capacity. Many people do this. However, people in urban or suburban areas may not have trailer storage areas.

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Post by moron4hire »

Swenrekcah wrote: post #580
moron4hire wrote: post #576

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No, we typically leave all the food in the packaging first.

Still, the packaging then presumably goes into the fridge and cupboards? And I would imagine there would be fresh produce in the bag as well? Maybe it makes sense, it just sounds unpleasant to me.

Wait til you see what the inside of a grocery warehouse looks like

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Post by pmontra »

class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

> Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers

Do you mean that dealers ask for bribes to customers to deliver cars, or that customers bribe dealers to skip the waiting list, or something like that?

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Post by joleyj »

ssl-3 wrote: post #490
eitally wrote: post #410

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I drive a 2017 F150 with the back commonly filled with either sports equipment or outdoors gear, or photography equipment. I would like to additionally have a city car but am not willing to spend the money (or consume another parking space in front of my house). Since I only have one vehicle, I do also use it for grocery shopping.

I drive a Honda van, usually with the seats out/folded down. It's really big back there. It holds an enormous volume of stuff. 4x8 sheets of plywood fit inside with the doors closed, and so do 10-foot lengths of pipe. It's easy to access stuff at the front or the back. It's all contained under a roof in a locking, conditioned space (3 zones of HVAC) and is easy to get to from either sliding door or the back tailgate.…

What’s the towing capacity of your van. How do you think it would do pulling a 6000 pound trailer?

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cpursley wrote: post #64
repeekad wrote: post #25

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> cultural I think you misspelled marketing

Right. "You aiyunt no real mayun if you ain't got a brodozer like ur neighbor, Todd - who has a crappy truck from our competitor, anyways". It seems to work, the sportsball people with desk jobs love them (they get exposed to a lot of ads). (I'm not against pickup trucks when actually needed, but most of the time an enclosed van is better for the trades - and when heavy lifting is needed, it's better to bring in actu…

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Post by orthoxerox »

hopelite wrote: post #585
markdown wrote: post #558

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The BYD Shark 6 sells for US$40k in Australia: https://bydautomotive.com.au/shark-6 There's a 100% tariff on top of all the regulatory and political hurdles that prevent BYD from selling in the US, but it shows that a very nice truck can be built for $40k.

Americans are not allowed to have better quality, lower priced Chinese vehicles because they have to suffer the incompetence, failure, abuse, and plunder by their ruling class due to … the decades of incompetence, failure, abuse, and plunder of their parasitic and alien ruling class. It is easy to understand what the tariffs are attempting and why, but what supporters don’t get is that at the very least it’s all wron…

Or because UAW members are not willing to work 996 for Chinese wages.

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Post by Amezarak »

dpark wrote: post #397
craftkiller wrote: post #382

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They are suggesting that most F-150s are not purchased for real truck work like hauling stuff. Instead, they are purchased by people who use them exclusively to drive on paved roads, in towns/cities, mostly carrying passengers instead of large cargo. Therefore the concern about going off-road to remote locations isn't a real concern for this market.

It’s a real concern in the sense that a lot of them care about the capability. Objectively a Ford F-150 is the wrong vehicle for what 90% of its buyers need. But it’s an aspirational purchase. It can go off-road. It can haul a boat. It can haul a bed full of gravel. It doesn’t matter for these purchasers that they rarely if ever actually do any of this.

This logic is only ever applied to trucks. The majority of HNers did not make an economically rational decision when they bought their Macbook or iPhone. Consumers buy what they like and feel like they need and can afford. They place an almost absurdly high value on convenience and not having to think about things like "oh I need to move this thing I need to go rent a truck because I only ever need to do this once every two years, making it irrational to buy one."

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Post by orthoxerox »

joleyj wrote: post #596
ssl-3 wrote: post #490

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I drive a Honda van, usually with the seats out/folded down. It's really big back there. It holds an enormous volume of stuff. 4x8 sheets of plywood fit inside with the doors closed, and so do 10-foot lengths of pipe. It's easy to access stuff at the front or the back. It's all contained under a roof in a locking, conditioned space (3 zones of HVAC) and is easy to get to from either sliding door or the back tailgate.…

What’s the towing capacity of your van. How do you think it would do pulling a 6000 pound trailer?

The Volkswagen Transporter has a towing capacity of 750kg for an unbraked trailer and a maximum towing capacity of 2800kg for a braked trailer. That's 6000 pounds.
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