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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by kalleboo »

chickensong wrote: post #445
exabrial wrote: post #231

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> people just love them as a symbol This is an unfortunate trope that is oft repeated by those that live their life in constant upgrade cycles. The regular F-150 is a pinnacle of value engineering for Ford. It's infinitely repairable for owners. Look around on the highway, you will see hundreds of 15+ year old F150s on the road, and a few times a day I will see 25+ year old trucks on the road too. There are thousands…

'99 F-150 with >250k on original engine and transmission here. Going to pick up 900 lbs of rock tomorrow. Suspension is pretty poor, but it still pulls hard under load. I'd like to upgrade to a newer model, but the '99 refuses to die.

> Going to pick up 900 lbs of rock tomorrow

Is there any car that can't do that though? That's just the weight of 5 adults.

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Post by UncleMeat »

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I can't think what the issue would be aside from range. One thing that stood out to me about the cybertruck is that they made huge tradeoffs to make it more aerodynamic. The only reason to do that is to increase maximum driving distance. Put a big blocky trailer behind it and suddenly the battery's maximum distance is competing with a gas tank on a much more even playing field. Regenerative braking would make up for…

Charge time matters. I can fill a gas tank in the time my partner uses the bathroom. Evs need a lot longer.

If you don't have a place to charge at home, yes. But if you are charging at home then the only time you need to charge away from home is on long road trips. And you need to stop for lunch or whatever. And if you are taking only a couple road trips a year the time spent charging on road trips will be exceeded by all the time spent on gas fill ups throughout the year for a gas vehicle.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

Let’s assume that this is the correct decision in terms of the viability of the electric F-150 (I have no reason to believe Ford is wrong here).

The real problem with this decision is that the F-150 is pretty much Ford’s only foray into EVs.

It raises the question of how Ford expects to compete in the EV market, which is a bigger concern given that the world market is showing a clear preference for EVs, especially once they allow the world EV leaders from China to enter their markets.

This further reinforces the Galapagosification of the American auto makers who are getting wiped out pretty much everywhere outside the US where they are competitive thanks to government protectionism.

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Post by gilbetron »

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Dear god, what about this monstrosity is supposed to be "small"?! Seriously, people should take a look at how professionals around tye world are managing just fine with anything from a cargo bike via VW caddy to sprinters....

I think a Sprinter is going to be larger than most pickups.

A bit taller, but generally not bigger. Most pickups have gotten insanely huge.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by rjsw »

rsynnott wrote: post #545
class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

They have one for 34,640 EUR; happy? https://www.ford.ie/content/dam/guxeu/ie/Documents/Pricelist... Granted, they don't seem to sell the cheap ones in the US. (For whatever reason you don't see these around very much, though; Citroen and Mercedes seem to dominate the niche, at least here.)

The Ford one is slightly newer than the equivalent rebranded Stellantis models.

I am considering the Transit e-Courier or the Chicken Tax variant as my next car.

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Zambyte wrote: post #342
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> *They're loaded with useless/barely-functional interior electronics that are poor copies of Tesla Having owned both an EV Ford and a Tesla I can say with absolute certainty that the ford runs circles around the Tesla. Outside of having steam games on the screen, Tesla’s infotainment does literally nothing better, and the interface itself feels like an early 2000s Linux gui. Oh, and Ford actually supports carplay an…

Outside of... having Steam games? What?

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Post by vel0city »

sroerick wrote: post #167
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> The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive So are RAM trucks and I don't think they're hurting for customers. I think there are two fundamental issues. One is that pickups are a weirdly-politicized lifestyle choice in the US - i.e., if you're progressive, you're supposed to hate them and see them as the symbol of the gun-totting macho redneck culture, and if you're conservative, yo…

I live in Truck Country, Wyoming If you need a truck for work, you're probably going to be towing in it. Now, some of those guys who are hauling are gonna need a 250 or a 350, but a lot of them will do just fine with the 150. Even if your job isn't hauling, per se, if you work on job sites you wanna be able to haul stuff. Imagine if you showed up to your new Tech Lead job with an 8 year old Chromebook. You'd look a l…

> I like Teslas a lot, but gave you ever been on a road trip in one?

Not a Tesla but a different EV. I've taken it on about a dozen road trips over the years. It's been fine. I pull off the highway, plug in, go grab a quick snack, get back in the car and go on my way. On a several hour drive it adds an extra 20 minutes assuming I'm not stopping at all in the ICE, not that big of a deal. And honestly I should be doing that stretch break, and I'm often stopping for a meal anyways.

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Post by greenie_beans »

gorgoiler wrote: post #536

I bought some LiFePo power packs this summer. They are just 1kWh things, the size and mass of a crate of beer but having a power pack with mains voltage output is mind bending. Suddenly you can do all sorts of things you never could do before. It feels as bizarre as it might feel going camping with a magic tap that has permanent running water, or to have a bag of rice that never empties. I set up a tent with a househ…

electric chainsaws no fun

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Post by _yb2s »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #553
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I owned one of the first VW eGolfs, and it was an excellent car. Just a regular golf with an electric drive.

160hp and 0-60 at 10seconds. Yikes. That does sound like a regular golf.

It’s quite sporty to drive but has about twice the torque you can easily put down with energy efficient ev tires in a small light FWD car so you need to go easy if you want tires to last. Handles great also. Those might be low specs nowadays but were respected performance car specs not long ago, and roads haven’t changed any- plus those were big specs at redline in a combustion engine, feels like a heck of a lot more with the instant torque at any speed of an EV. It’s still way more power than you need, and more than enough to have fun. And I say that as a Porsche enthusiast that drives a lot of fast and sporty cars.
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