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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by Mawr »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #474
lokar wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most heavy trucks are sold to people who don’t really need them, but buy them to signal cultural allegiance and get a tax break.

Citation needed This sound like every EVangalist who says road trips aren’t important when most everyone takes at least one a year.

Citation: "Ford F-Series Is America’s Best-Selling Model For The 43rd Consecutive Year (2024)"

Either the US has a lot of electricians and plumbers, all those people aren't buying these trucks because they need them.

Just look anywhere outside the US — nobody buys trucks like these. And that's because they're incredibly niche. They're worse than all other options. A regular sedan is a better everyday car and can fulfill most of your "i need a truck" use cases anyway.

BTW, I was kidding with the electricians and plumbers, they have no need for a truck. Nobody does.

For anything you'd actually need a truck for, an appropriately sized van is better. You'd have to be hauling dirt and sand offroad in rural areas on a regular basis without somehow being able to use a trailer for a flatbed truck to make any sense as a purchase. Guess how many people in the US have a need for that. Certainly not enough to push the sales numbers to #1.

> road trips aren’t important when most everyone takes at least one a year

Exactly, optimizing your life around something you do once per year is completely irrational.

Buy all the trucks all you want, just don't claim it's a sensible, rational decision. It's not.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by ViewTrick1002 »

rsync wrote: post #405
lern_too_spel wrote: post #341

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Chevrolet makes these. The Blazer and the Blazer EV look roughly the same. The Equinox and Equinox EV look more different but not completely different. The Silverado and the Silverado EV look completely different, but given those other models, I don't think it's for lack of trying. Similarly, Volvo's EX cars look almost exactly like their XC counterparts.

"Similarly, Volvo's EX cars look almost exactly like their XC counterparts." Interesting you should mention ... Here is the interior of the 2025 XC90: https://0x.co/AJ5PVP ... and here is the 2025 EX90: https://0x.co/Z3ZQPF That's not a mistake and they know exactly what they are doing: they think they can sell the EX90 in addition to the XC90 and the dramatically different UI/UX/styling is an effort to keep the XC m…

They are completely different platforms.

The EX90 platform is from the a ground up a purely electric vehicle while the 2025 XC90 runs on the same platform with upgrades and face-lifts since 2015.

The EX90 is a couple of years late to the market due to software integration problems.

Previously they’ve been sharing platforms across ICE and BEV like the XC40 and XC40 Recharge now rebranded EX40. But now Volvo is going electric.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by iknowstuff »

unethical_ban wrote: post #508
iknowstuff wrote: post #394

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New person to the conversation: I just want to say that even if the CEO's politics weren't awful I would never want a Tesla. I don't want a touchscreen to adjust the direction of the AC. Audio, climate and basic media functions should all have tactile control. Tesla is to blame for my parents thinking EV = complicated iPad on wheels. An electric drivetrain doesn't have to come with a touchscreen UI for everything.

You can change the temp and media etc on the steering wheel. Air is generally automatically adjusted

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by johanvts »

brandonmenc wrote: post #126
johanvts wrote: post #34

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Why do you need a truck? Serious question, in europe professionals have a van, like the Ford e-transit, and if you just need to haul some stuff from your summerhouse sometimes you hitch a trailer to your car. Why do you need a truck? Couldn’t you buy an electric van instead?

> Why do you need a truck? To haul dirt. To haul junk out to the dump. Etc. Do people load their Transits with piles of dirt and mulch? I doubt it. I live in the US and have a small house in the city, and I haul stuff like this all the time. Yes, you can rent a pickup truck as needed from U-Haul, but that gets old real quick. Yes, I would love it if there was a nice small or mid-sized truck with an extended bed avail…

Landscapers have trucks here too, but they look like this https://iveco.dk/shopping-varktojer/kampagner/MY24-IVECO-Dai...

For personal use, like you mention, people use a small trailer. You own one or borrow it freely from many places, hitch it to your car, haul dirt, and then detach it. No need to drive a truck everywhere because you need to haul some stuff once a month.

> But this idea that no normal person needs a pickup truck a dozen times a year is just weird.

Yet the US is the only country where office workers own trucks. The only real use of a F150 style truck is offroad hauling, which is not something most people have to regularly do.

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Post by rsynnott »

class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

They have one for 34,640 EUR; happy?

https://www.ford.ie/content/dam/guxeu/ie/Documents/Pricelist...

Granted, they don't seem to sell the cheap ones in the US.

(For whatever reason you don't see these around very much, though; Citroen and Mercedes seem to dominate the niche, at least here.)

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by jandrewrogers »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #527
jandrewrogers wrote: post #519

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That’s fair. There are “recreational offroaders” in the sense of urban bros that do casual offroading on well-developed trails with associated infrastructure. That is the nerf version of offroading in the US. Some of those trails are cool on their own merits, I don’t want to take away from them. The US has vast regions that casual tourists never venture into and have no infrastructure that are nonetheless economicall…

I'm from NZ where 640km range is plenty, for even our gnarliest terrain, so I'm stoked. I have to say, this is a bit dismissive out of hand. > urban bros that do casual offroading on well-developed trails with associated infrastructure. Yeah, no, that's not what I'm talking about. Not everyone commenting here is from the US. I'm talking about things like driving up braided riverbeds to places like this, Mathias Hut,…

That looks amazing! I haven’t been to NZ yet. I was not trying to dismiss your offroad bonafides.

It is the distance scale in the US that makes the difference. In the mountain west, you can blow through a range budget of 640km really easily. There are weather and other events that add 100-200km of unplanned travel that you can’t know ahead of time. There is also no Internet connectivity in much of it! The sparsity of charging stations in more remote regions just makes it worse. If you find you need to re-route, you may be a very long way from the closest accessible charging station and it may be in a direction you did not intend to go.

I wasn’t trying to be dismissive. The US has unique challenges for EV range due to its scale. There isn’t much margin for error on range, especially if the road closes due to avalanches, flooding, etc. You can find yourself hundreds of kilometers from the nearest thing resembling civilization at inopportune times.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by wkat4242 »

nandomrumber wrote: post #218
wkat4242 wrote: post #180

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They're everywhere and you can get a full charge in 5 minutes.

And you don’t need to fill up again at the next one.

Yeah that's what I meant by full charge. Most fast chargers only give you a topup in 20 minutes.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by ascorbic »

brandonmenc wrote: post #126
johanvts wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you need a truck? Serious question, in europe professionals have a van, like the Ford e-transit, and if you just need to haul some stuff from your summerhouse sometimes you hitch a trailer to your car. Why do you need a truck? Couldn’t you buy an electric van instead?

> Why do you need a truck? To haul dirt. To haul junk out to the dump. Etc. Do people load their Transits with piles of dirt and mulch? I doubt it. I live in the US and have a small house in the city, and I haul stuff like this all the time. Yes, you can rent a pickup truck as needed from U-Haul, but that gets old real quick. Yes, I would love it if there was a nice small or mid-sized truck with an extended bed avail…

The split for the rest of the world is: Transit-like van for almost everything in places with real roads, Hilux-sized truck in places without roads and contractors who mostly carry dirt, gravel etc. Only the US and Canada use F150-sized trucks.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

iberator wrote: post #417
exabrial wrote: post #43

I expected the "T word" to come out in the article, however this fails to address any of the practical reasons it isn't a good replacement for the value-engineered F-150: * The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive * They're difficult to repair. A regular F-150 is designed to be repaired; these things are designed like iPhones to be disposable. * Parts availability is scarce, contra…

LOL. Why would you need a truck if not for towing something?!

Modern cars are emotional purchases, manufacturers have figured out exactly which buttons to press to manipulate us into buying them.

They are pretty much the only consumer good whose price has outrun inflation over the last fifty years.

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Post by dontlaugh »

tfourb wrote: post #477
mattmaroon wrote: post #438

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Yeah but you buy a truck and all of a sudden you have a lot of friends. I might not move furniture regularly, but it’s reeeeal nice to be able to do so when I need to. My dishwasher broke on Christmas Eve when I was hosting so I went to the store and got another and installed it within an hour. Not doing that with my Subaru.

I’ve literally transported dishwashers in a Renault Twingo. And the „small car + trailer“ combo will always carry more than a pickup. Pickups are pure lifestyle.

To be fair, the Twingo mk3 even has the front passenger seat fold down. In van mode the interior is huge for a small car.
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