France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors

Post by mito88 » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 6:10 PM UTC

alfalfasprout wrote: post #79

konmok wrote: post #71

I think your devices should have government-mandated backdoors if and only if you are a public servant. I don't understand why private citizens are held to higher standards of conduct than politicians and cops.

Even if you're a public servant, a backdoor is a big security risk.

Post by jtbayly » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 6:11 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #96

If the small guys are getting threats like this, one can only assume the big guys already have suitable backdoors...

Post by LenaRyouna » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 6:12 PM UTC

izacus wrote: post #97

maelito wrote: post #63

The linked article from Le Parisien (a big French billionaire-owned newspaper) is quite nuanced. It gives the police's view on narco-trafic crime, but also Graphene's take : "Criminals and traffickers also use knives." This organization, which is not a company but a foundation, emphasizes that its solution is used by ordinary people who dislike how apps and operating systems handle their data. It adds that if crimina…

One thing though is - knives, fast cars and cash aren't built with deliberate motivation of thwarting the law enforcement and criminal investigations. GrapheneOS and its systems are - you can walk through history and see that they're deliberately working on systems that defeat law enforcements efforts of collecting data from seized devices and tracking criminal networks. This is a massive difference - even for knives…

Post by hdb385 » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 6:13 PM UTC

pimterry wrote: post #103

jcsager wrote: post #72

I think EncroChat scared them pas-de-merde, and this may be an overreaction by untutored civil servants.

In the end, wasn't EncroChat a larger problem for the criminals than the governments? Once it became a big enough target it got taken down, and then quietly run by the police who collected everybody's messages for months before triggering a huge round of arrests, including quite a bit of major organized crime across Europe. The dangers of centralization. They'd love another EncroChat! Doesn't apply so much to Graphen…

Post by bluGill » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 6:14 PM UTC

konmok wrote: post #71

I think your devices should have government-mandated backdoors if and only if you are a public servant. I don't understand why private citizens are held to higher standards of conduct than politicians and cops.