I think your devices should have government-mandated backdoors if and only if you are a public servant. I don't understand why private citizens are held to higher standards of conduct than politicians and cops.
France threatens GrapheneOS with arrests / server seizure for refusing backdoors
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#72I think EncroChat scared them pas-de-merde, and this may be an overreaction by untutored civil servants.
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#74This is a better link from a French privacy non-profit but I can't change it now: https://mamot.fr/@LaQuadrature/115581775965025042 @dang or other mods, could you change it? Google Translated text: > Two articles in Le Parisien yesterday, followed today by one in Le Figaro, have launched a shameful attack against GrapheneOS, a free and accessible open-source operating system for phones. At La Quadrature du Net, it's…
More graphic content needed to get folks to click through: This is excerpted from the result of G-translating the Parisien link:
"This 27-year-old alleged trafficker is suspected of having run this drug telephone platform which, between 2023 and 2024 in Paris, collected a turnover of two million euros and is said to have caused three overdose deaths during chemsex parties."
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#75The linked article from Le Parisien (a big French billionaire-owned newspaper) is quite nuanced. It gives the police's view on narco-trafic crime, but also Graphene's take : "Criminals and traffickers also use knives." This organization, which is not a company but a foundation, emphasizes that its solution is used by ordinary people who dislike how apps and operating systems handle their data. It adds that if crimina…
"Criminals and traffickers also use knives." London already did this
Not really? You can buy knives in London, and any laws regulating knife purchases are UK-wide, nothing to do with London specifically.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I seem to remember the FBI attempting to compel Apple to decrypt a criminal's iPhone, only for Apple to refuse and claim that it wasn't possible. I'm not sure exactly what happened after that. I think it was suspected that the NSA was able to do it by exploiting an unpatched zero-day. So they didn't need Apple's help anymore and the issue was dropped from the public's eye.
There's a couple overlapping things here: 1. Apple can and does comply with subpoenas for user information that it has access to. This includes tons of data from your phone unless you're enrolled in Advanced Data Protection, because Apple stores your data encrypted at rest but retains the ability to decrypt it so that users who lose their device/credentials can still restore their data. 2. Apple has refused on multip…
> Apple can and does comply with subpoenas for user information that it has access to.
When we are talking about data stored on a company server, you have no choice when you are served a valid warrant.
That's why Apple went all in on the concept of keeping sensitive data off their servers as much as possible.
For instance, Apple Maps never stored the driving routes you take on Apple's servers, but does remember them on your device.
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#78The claim in the title of the post is not substantiated in any way. The correct headline here would be ”GrapheneOS worried about France after negative press”
It is in third post in the thread: https://mamot.fr/@LaQuadrature/115581775986937247
> Interviewed, she warns that she will “not stop pursuing publishers if links are discovered with a criminal organization and they [GrapheneOS] do not cooperate with justice.”
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#79I think your devices should have government-mandated backdoors if and only if you are a public servant. I don't understand why private citizens are held to higher standards of conduct than politicians and cops.
Even if you're a public servant, a backdoor is a big security risk.
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#80https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/115589833471347871 > The FBI ran a sting operation in Europe where they created their own 'secure' phone and messaging platform. Their OS used portions of our code and was heavily marketed as being GrapheneOS or based on GrapheneOS. So how do we know GrapheneOS itself isn't a honeypot? It's run by a mystery org and heavily marketed as being a secure platform. https://en.wikipedia…
The honeypot run by the FBI was closed source and that's why they could do it. while this is open source, which would make it much harder.