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Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by stackedinserter »

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #41
andybak wrote: post #35

This is an asymmetric conflict. The factions who want this to pass have more resources, time and background influence and can keep pushing this until they get lucky. And once in place repealing it will be tremendously difficult. How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? It is a dynamic that is repeated in many areas.

> How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? Other than hoping for a large meteorite or the second coming to end this misery, or stirring up the bloodbath a la Nepal - then, by recognizing the power of large numbers of people doing little things, like sabotaging the system at the personal level. But that implies unity, and unity and mutual support have been deliberately annihilated in this…

Agree completely. We're like sheep that are cluelessly watching other sheep being slaughtered.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by AngryData »

binary132 wrote: post #50
FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotta make sure you aren’t saying the wrong things, like criticising rich and powerful people.

people have been doing that for a long time, but the level of urgency from the system hasn’t been at this level.

Yeah but was it to the same extent? People are regularly posting guillotines these days and our economic outlooks for much of the world, and especially the US, is not all roses and sunshine.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by lazide »

eptcyka wrote: post #76
afarah1 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to be more about political power and government overreach than money. The narrative seems to be focused solely on concentration of the later, lately.

Billionaires inherently get political power. When they’re more socially adept than Musk, they can even have the power without having the plebs notice.

Yup, going full autist in public is a good way to get the public angry at you and try to find a way to make your life more difficult.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by eptcyka »

josteink wrote: post #48
Humorist2290 wrote: post #34

(6) Online child sexual abuse frequently involves the misuse of information society services offered in the Union by providers established in third countries. In order to ensure the effectiveness of the rules laid down in this Regulation and a level playing field within the internal market, those rules should apply to all providers, irrespective of their place of establishment or residence, that offer services in the…

So they’re asking American companies to repeal the first amendment rights of American citizens on all websites accessible in the EU. How this not a declaration of war?

I was under the impression that the strong and independent Americans had thicker skin than this.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by tock »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #46
frogperson wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We stop allowing the rich to become so rich. Billionares are not compatible with democracy or the greater good.

What happens when you get what you want, and rather than magically solving every problem confronting society, it doesn't solve anything at all, and in fact creates several more problems, as generally happens when such ideas are put into practice? What's plan B? Lower the threshold to a million dollars?

> as generally happens when such ideas are put into practice

Is this true? Lots of countries with high living standards have high taxes. It doesn't need to solve every problem but it does help solve the problem of one unelected person holding too much power and influence.

> What's plan B? Lower the threshold to a million dollars?

1B = 1000M. I think thats high enough. Don't see why you need to make it 1000x smaller to try and make a point.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by layer8 »

impossiblefork wrote: post #77
frogperson wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We stop allowing the rich to become so rich. Billionares are not compatible with democracy or the greater good.

It's too bad we can't withdraw our votes for a politician continuously, with the politician having to leave office if the vote changes enough. I'm not sure it can be solved without everybody writing down their vote, but this would be one way that would make pushing through unpopular policies, whether because of changing opinions, mismatches where politicians misrepresent their plans or corruption, much more difficult…

That would just strengthen the incentives for continual populism and propaganda.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by Lutzb »

andybak wrote: post #35

This is an asymmetric conflict. The factions who want this to pass have more resources, time and background influence and can keep pushing this until they get lucky. And once in place repealing it will be tremendously difficult. How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? It is a dynamic that is repeated in many areas.

The people that push this agenda reside on secrecy. We need to expose the people involved and let the press do their jobs.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

soulofmischief wrote: post #66
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? Other than hoping for a large meteorite or the second coming to end this misery, or stirring up the bloodbath a la Nepal - then, by recognizing the power of large numbers of people doing little things, like sabotaging the system at the personal level. But that implies unity, and unity and mutual support have been deliberately annihilated in this…

I'm downvoting you because complaining against downvotes like this is against site guidelines. Your comment would have a better foundation if that part was omitted.

Now that's some recursive self-fulfilling prophecy, my friend! But thanks for chiming in.
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