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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by arianvanp »

themafia wrote: post #266
don_neufeld wrote: post #212

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Chicago has over 50 millions tourists per year and rising. https://cdn.choosechicago.com/uploads/2025/07/Chicago-Touris... https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-sees-record-breaking-ho... Is that a lot? Well, Rome - which people the world over would consider a “tourist destination” only has 35M tourists per year. https://hotelagio.com/rome-tourism-statistics/ Even Paris is less, around 47M https://parisplaybook.com/pa…

Those are overall visitations. There's no indication that they're vacationing or tourists. Does Chicago have more global business interests than Rome? My Mother went to Chicago every year for Emergency Room training. Was she a tourist? Or was she there because Chicago, for all it's problems, has one of the most competent and practiced set of ER doctors in the entire country?

Does it really matter? Both tourism and business fall under the same ESTA Visa Waiver programme. In both cases you have people visiting without any visa but just an online application at cpb. I dont even think they stamp passports anymore during entry in the US. It's all digital now.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by scoofy »

Freedumbs wrote: post #345
scoofy wrote: post #340

When states choose nullification as a policy to ignore federal law, it’s an overt act of escalation. I don’t think these raids are good policy, but I won’t pretend that it’s happening in isolation. What they are doing, in large part, seems to be legal. Dressing detention up as kidnapping isn’t treating the issue in good faith.

wtf are you talking about? they've shot us citizens, they continually beat an kidnap us citizens for no reason. care to explain any of the actions in this blog post? are you aware of the attack they carried out on an apartment building where they took everyone, mostly US citizens into custody in the middle of the night? kidnapping is the best way to describe it. it's 100% accurate. there's no way to distinguish these…

Because detained and arrested is not the same as kidnapping. It’s just not even close.

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Post by wombatpm »

tptacek wrote: post #210
fujigawa wrote: post #207

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None of this has anything whatsoever to do with whether "Pedro" will be there to shovel their driveway. Nobody cares about that. We all live with 100% certainty that somebody will exchange dollars for snow shoveling. The reason you hear about landscapers right now is that ICE is directly targeting them. If you're ICE, looking to meet a detention quota from whatever quadrant Oak Park is in, the easiest way to do that…

So no warrant, no probable cause beyond looking Latino. So it seems we have replaced stopping people for driving while black with stopping people for working while brown.

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Post by tky »

lurk2 wrote: post #317
tky wrote: post #307

Accurate, if even a bit softer than how it really is. I never felt unsafe in my west side Chicago community until the Black Hawks started doing daily intimidation runs. Until they abducted community members who were out working one day, gone the next. I used to push a wagon with side pockets full of bubbles, snacks, and toys. Now there’s fewer toys to make room for gas masks for kids and adults. Chicago is a tough to…

> have to explain to kids why their friends aren’t around anymore. How does that conversation go?

Honestly, not well. It’s hard to articulate to a 4 year old that people like us are hiding for fear that they’ll be taken by “army men”

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Post by drdaeman »

whoknowsidont wrote: post #303
drdaeman wrote: post #300

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It is incredible, because a lot of people dismiss it so eagerly. Let me try to phrase it differently: ostracization rarely yields positive results, and is more likely to lead to opposite of desired course of action through future radicalization. In other words, saying that bad people are bad is - as paradoxical as it might be - less likely to making anyone better than make bad people even worse.

>It is incredible, because a lot of people dismiss it so eagerly. Because it's wishful thinking, and it only serves one purpose and only benefits one group. You can't say it wasn't tried. Far from it. It didn't work out. Plain and simple.

Sorry, I absolutely appreciate the explanation instead of a snark remark, but I don’t understand.

What was tired or supposed to work out? Not ostracizing is not exactly a solution (grandparent comment haven’t made suggestions as to what to do instead), and alternatives aren’t one possible approach but a giant spectrum of possible reactions. Instead of saying “you’re a bad person” a lot of different things can be done, right?

Or do you possibly mean that we collectively tried everything and nothing ever worked out, so we’re fairly positive this is wishful thinking? Or am I misunderstanding something, or falling to some fallacy here?

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Post by mindslight »

lurk2 wrote: post #321
mystraline wrote: post #264

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Or they were suggesting patriotic Americans organize to defend our Constitution and the rule of law from this anarcho-tyranny of paramilitary gangs enabled by a treasonous executive. You know, the exact thing a vocal contingent of second amendment enthusiasts used to champion before they got sick with a level of social media psychosis previously reserved for geriatrics consuming hours upon hours of Fox "news".

For example, Dear Leader's leadership in response to the anti-2nd-amendment murder of Breonna Taylor should have been a wakeup call for how much this New York con artist has you steeped in anti-American Kool-aid. Instead the situation mostly just demonstrated to everyone else how fascists' appeals to individual liberty have been wholly dishonest.

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Post by abustamam »

I applaud the authors use of the word "abducted" and "kidnapped."

For some reason the media loves to just call it detained so anytime I see someone call it what it actually is deserves a gold star in my book.

How low standards have become :(

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Post by [deleted] »

speff wrote: post #334
fujigawa wrote: post #283

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One of the more egregious stories that made national news and captured the zeitgeist of this situation was the alleged illegal immigrant that was working as a sworn police officer in suburban Chicago: https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-illegal-alien-... So given that this was allowed to happen, you want me to believe it's impossible for an illegal immigrant to cast a vote in an election? In Chicago? Where…

So there aren't any stats for illegal immigrants voting then I take it. I would expect they don't check for citizenship when becoming a police officer. I do expect them to check when a voter is registered. Frankly, given the amount of hubbub about illegals voting, I would expect there to at least be a notable amount of it happening that can be pointed to. Please do not make these sorts of claims based on vibes. They…

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Post by xdennis »

tky wrote: post #307

Accurate, if even a bit softer than how it really is. I never felt unsafe in my west side Chicago community until the Black Hawks started doing daily intimidation runs. Until they abducted community members who were out working one day, gone the next. I used to push a wagon with side pockets full of bubbles, snacks, and toys. Now there’s fewer toys to make room for gas masks for kids and adults. Chicago is a tough to…

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Post by strken »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #234
strken wrote: post #152

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I'm not sure this is the correct perspective on voting. Voters are often passionate about one or two key issues - crime, Israel v Palestine, cost of living, immigration policy, coal towns, Ukraine, military spending, or whatever is most important to them. If they voted for Trump it doesn't mean they agree with him on immigration and crime. They just have to think it's less important than the positions they do agree w…

You’re expecting rationality where it will not be found. The do not care about effective arguments, they are vibes and emotion driven.

You can make a vibes- and emotion-based argument that isn't "you are evil."
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