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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by immibis »

ryandrake wrote: post #70
HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #61

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It looks like the difference in the popular vote was 2,284,967 votes towards R. Do all of those 2,284,967 voters demonstrably overlap with that 86% of the polled Republicans? If not, then claiming that a majority of Americans support every incident in the linked article based on the last election, lacks basis.

I'm not saying anything about the majority of the American population. Just that Republicans broadly support these actions. I hope we never get to the point where a majority of the overall public support this.

95% of people don't care about anything (but not always the same 95% on every issue). Revolutions are typically caused by 3% of the population outweighing the other 2%, while the 95% do nothing.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by input_sh »

tptacek wrote: post #226
digdugdirk wrote: post #222

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Curious about the random Kat Abu comment at the end there? I know nothing about her background, but it certainly seems like she's using her campaign to actively help her local community directly and immediately. And in times like these, we could certainly use more political candidates who are willing to be tossed around by DHS. What negatives am I unaware of?

She doesn't represent the district. She picked it off a map, while living in (I think?) DC, hoping to replicate what AOC had done in New York --- knocking off a geriatric institutional Dem in a safe blue district. What really got me was that she moved to Chicago to run for CD9, and didn't even move to the district --- she moved to the Gold Coast (IIRC?), far outside CD9 (which is Rogers Park, Evanston, and the near n…

No, she moved there some months after her boyfriend Ben Collins became the CEO of The Onion, which is headquartered in Chicago. This is very easy to verify, they're not secretive about their relationship.

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Post by testing22321 »

lurk2 wrote: post #255
testing22321 wrote: post #244

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There are plenty of legal US citizens being abducted. From TFA: US citizens, including women and children, were grabbed from their beds, marched outside without even a chance to dress, zip-tied, and loaded into vans.

If we assume the reporting in the linked video was accurate, you’re at most talking about unlawful detention and 4th amendment violations. No one with legal status to reside in the country was reported to have disappeared in the way you are implying.

You’re fine with this?

Totally cool when this happens to you and your family?

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Post by mystraline »

armada651 wrote: post #242
thechao wrote: post #31

A large part of this lawlessness is rooted in nonnormative behavior. But! there are basic protections we could have right now if we demanded them. First and foremost: the Bivens Act; specifically, the right to bring suit in State court against Federal agents. Presidential pardons can't help these thugs in State persons.

Don't they all have qualified immunity nowadays?

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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by actionfromafar »

kasey_junk wrote: post #230
rappatic wrote: post #134

> Agents with guns have chased a teacher into the school where she works The agents actually attempted to pull over Ms. Galeano’s vehicle, but the male driver (with Galeano in the passenger seat) refused to stop despite the sirens and lights. The agents pursued the car, which sped into a shopping center, and Ms. Galeano fled the vehicle and ran into a daycare, attempting to barricade herself inside. She didn’t get al…

Witnesses on the scene and the video evidence that has been released contradicts basically all of that. Perhaps we may one day know the real story if the government were ever to take any of this to trial. But given they are already in trouble for actively lying in court perhaps not. But you are actually wrong about what most police organizations would have done about enforcing an non-violent arrest warrant. If they w…

And the sheer joy of agents laughing at the job. Some of them really love what they do for a living.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by themafia »

don_neufeld wrote: post #212
themafia wrote: post #189

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Chicago has over 50 millions tourists per year and rising. https://cdn.choosechicago.com/uploads/2025/07/Chicago-Touris... https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-sees-record-breaking-ho... Is that a lot? Well, Rome - which people the world over would consider a “tourist destination” only has 35M tourists per year. https://hotelagio.com/rome-tourism-statistics/ Even Paris is less, around 47M https://parisplaybook.com/pa…

Those are overall visitations. There's no indication that they're vacationing or tourists. Does Chicago have more global business interests than Rome?

My Mother went to Chicago every year for Emergency Room training. Was she a tourist? Or was she there because Chicago, for all it's problems, has one of the most competent and practiced set of ER doctors in the entire country?

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by themafia »

testing22321 wrote: post #252
themafia wrote: post #189

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Yes, the US is a country of immigrants. Built by people from all over the world. There’s even a massive statue near some famous city welcoming immigrants. Are you so xenophobic you missed this?

Are you so enamored with a statue that you missed the overwhelming gang violence? Stop being simple and looking for opportunities to push your narrow politics into a conversation.

Chicago is simply _not_ in good shape. Ask anyone who lives there. Ask them if these problems started with or predated Trump? Ask them if they think their problems has one wit to do with national politics.

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Post by convolvatron »

speff wrote: post #233
fujigawa wrote: post #213

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Are you claiming that the detainees - assumedly primarily illegal immigrants - are taking part in the voting process and that's why the governor is "grandstanding"? That's the story I hear from certain folks and as far as I can tell, it has no merit. I'd be interested in any actual stats here.

Michigan found approximately 12 non-citizen voters after going through their rolls. Texas claimed to have found nearly 1000, but opened 100 investigations.

those kinds of numbers should make you understand why we have to give up on this whole constitution thing.

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Post by actionfromafar »

paganel wrote: post #116

This [1] is civil-war-inducing stuff, that's not "police", that's an army that attacks its own country's citizens. Crazy stuff, didn't think I'd get to see this happening in the States. [1] https://x.com/LAURA_N_ROD/status/1985412485185188067

Later when things settle down, they will only do this to citizens who don’t pay the bribe.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by tptacek »

input_sh wrote: post #262
tptacek wrote: post #226

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She doesn't represent the district. She picked it off a map, while living in (I think?) DC, hoping to replicate what AOC had done in New York --- knocking off a geriatric institutional Dem in a safe blue district. What really got me was that she moved to Chicago to run for CD9, and didn't even move to the district --- she moved to the Gold Coast (IIRC?), far outside CD9 (which is Rogers Park, Evanston, and the near n…

No, she moved there some months after her boyfriend Ben Collins became the CEO of The Onion, which is headquartered in Chicago. This is very easy to verify, they're not secretive about their relationship.

I don't care. She had never once lived in the district before declaring her candidacy for it, and only somewhat recently moved into the district --- after starting her campaign for it. I don't care who her partner is.

Think about the message that campaign sends: nobody, in one of the most progressive districts in the country, is as qualified to faithfully represent its progressive ideals as Kat Abu, who has neither ever lived there nor ever held elective office. To me, that's a campaign of contempt for the district.

I've seen the videos of her getting shoved at Broadview. Her immigration politics seem in line with the district. My response to that is: stand on Noyes and Sheridan and throw a rock. You'll hit someone who has identical immigration politics to her.

IL CD9 gets to decide, not me (I'm in CD7). But I do have an opinion!

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