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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by wombatpm »

selectodude wrote: post #141
tedivm wrote: post #130

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I live here, and Pritzker says the right things then does the wrong things. He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources to attack and kidnap people. In half the videos you see out there his state police as assisting ICE. We have Chicago Aldermen out in the streets and in the hospitals getting arrested and assaulted, we have candidates for congress lik…

I think the reality is far scarier - he doesn’t have nearly as much power over ISP as he should.

ISP enjoys support from the white rascisty southern part of IL as a bulwark against the Chicago Police and all of the brown people there.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by chasil »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #302
chasil wrote: post #278

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That will certainly not work for children, as their faces change. I live in Illinois. Since Republican governor Ryan gave chauffers licenses to undocumented immigrants (resulting in fatalities), it is certain that an Illinois license is worthless. I had hoped that an ID issued by the U.S. Department of State would be a safeguard. Perhaps not, but wise to obtain both forms, for the judge.

Quite frankly, are you so naive as to think they give a shit? ICE is a gestapo and who they want to be illegal is illegal and can be whisked away. No consequences, no retaliation. They now have an all-knowing oracle who tells them the ultimate truth, all evidence be damned.

Then none of these documents are worth the paper upon which they are printed, and the advice has provable negative value?

Do tell.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re...

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by chasil »

Uehreka wrote: post #297
chasil wrote: post #249

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I would say that any U.S. citizen living in an area of focus who is even vaguely latino and/or does not speak English well should obtain a U.S. "passport card" and carry it on their person at all times, as a federally issued ID. It's $65 for the first application, and $30 at renewals. In this context, the passport card is much more valuable than a state-issued ID. You know if your children should have them. A real pa…

I get that you’re trying to help, but trying to find a bureaucratic/technical workaround through original research and proffering it as advice is not a super helpful thing to do right now. At this phase of the game, the best advice you can give people is to follow immigration lawyers and long-time activists on social media and do what they advise. I know we’re all used to being the problem-solvers in the room, but th…

I get that you yourself have not researched this problem.

These are worthless?

Notice this section: "Carry with you evidence of lawful entry or current lawful status in the United States if you have it."

https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re...

Edit: I went to Medellín, Colombia recently, and going through immigration, I said that I was there for my birthday. The officer then asked me, "That was May xxth?" I responded, "No, my birthday is August yyth." She handed it back and waived me through.

Anyone making a mistake with details will see greater scrutiny.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by speff »

fujigawa wrote: post #283
speff wrote: post #233

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Are you claiming that the detainees - assumedly primarily illegal immigrants - are taking part in the voting process and that's why the governor is "grandstanding"? That's the story I hear from certain folks and as far as I can tell, it has no merit. I'd be interested in any actual stats here.

One of the more egregious stories that made national news and captured the zeitgeist of this situation was the alleged illegal immigrant that was working as a sworn police officer in suburban Chicago: https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-illegal-alien-... So given that this was allowed to happen, you want me to believe it's impossible for an illegal immigrant to cast a vote in an election? In Chicago? Where…

So there aren't any stats for illegal immigrants voting then I take it.

I would expect they don't check for citizenship when becoming a police officer. I do expect them to check when a voter is registered. Frankly, given the amount of hubbub about illegals voting, I would expect there to at least be a notable amount of it happening that can be pointed to.

Please do not make these sorts of claims based on vibes. They have wider consequences on the amount of hate towards foreigners - illegal or not - that is completely undeserved.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by esseph »

lurk2 wrote: post #321
mystraline wrote: post #264

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Laws and morality often conflict.

The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process.

Israel has multiple government members currently with warrants for arrest for genocide.

Just because something is legal or illegal doesn't make it right.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by amypetrik8 »

chasil wrote: post #332
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #302

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Quite frankly, are you so naive as to think they give a shit? ICE is a gestapo and who they want to be illegal is illegal and can be whisked away. No consequences, no retaliation. They now have an all-knowing oracle who tells them the ultimate truth, all evidence be damned.

Then none of these documents are worth the paper upon which they are printed, and the advice has provable negative value? Do tell. https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re...

hola amigos, ca habla un americano el citizeno --- que? no hablo ingles.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by testing22321 »

lurk2 wrote: post #329
testing22321 wrote: post #263

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You’re fine with this? Totally cool when this happens to you and your family?

I’m not at all worried about my family being deported for the simple reason that they have legal status to reside in the places where they reside. I wouldn’t have approached it the same way, but for the sole reason that you end up with citizens being inconvenienced. This post wasn’t about citizens having their rights infringed upon, though; it’s obvious from the editorializing that the author does not believe that Am…

You couldn’t be more wrong. That is absolutely not my primary concern. It’s not a concern at all.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by lurk2 »

esseph wrote: post #335
lurk2 wrote: post #321

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Laws and morality often conflict. The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process. Israel has multiple government members currently with warrants for arrest for genocide. Just because something is legal or illegal doesn't make it right.

> The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process.

This is how Osama Bin Laden justified 9/11. To be clear, virtually all of those being deported do not have a legal right to reside in the United States. The number who are deported erroneously measures in the tens, not the hundreds, but even if it were in the tens of thousands, that would not morally justify the extrajudicial killings of law enforcement personnel unless you could somehow demonstrate that these deportations were part of a concerted effort to murder people.

> Israel has multiple government members currently with warrants for arrest for genocide.

The deportation of foreign nationals residing in the United States illegally is not even remotely comparable to what is happening in Gaza.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by jalapenof »

tky wrote: post #307

Accurate, if even a bit softer than how it really is. I never felt unsafe in my west side Chicago community until the Black Hawks started doing daily intimidation runs. Until they abducted community members who were out working one day, gone the next. I used to push a wagon with side pockets full of bubbles, snacks, and toys. Now there’s fewer toys to make room for gas masks for kids and adults. Chicago is a tough to…

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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by scoofy »

When states choose nullification as a policy to ignore federal law, it’s an overt act of escalation.

I don’t think these raids are good policy, but I won’t pretend that it’s happening in isolation. What they are doing, in large part, seems to be legal. Dressing detention up as kidnapping isn’t treating the issue in good faith.

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