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I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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You can argue for or against mass-deportation as a policy. Fine. But the tactics are a choice, and at every turn, the current administration is deliberately choosing cruelty, fear, intimidation, violence, opaqueness, and grief. In an alternate world, they could have still chosen to do mass-deportation, but also: 1. sent uniformed officers with arrest warrants, 2. who identify themselves clearly as officers, 3. who sh…

So the aesthetics are bad. The execution is sloppy and it’s likely the people tasked with it are under trained and under supervised. But the outcome is the same otherwise. I don’t know if they’re trying to be mean or if they’re just trying to effectively hit their goals. It’s ruthless execution but that’s what’s taught in business school today. The citizens that are being wrongly violated will have their day and be c…

> The citizens that are being wrongly violated will have their day and be compensated.

We really don't have any assurance of this, and all evidence of how the current administration operates says that they will be treated just as sloppily and ruthlessly.

I don't buy the "undertrained/undersupervised" argument, either. If this were the case, we'd be seeing apologies for the mistakes by now, instead of silence and intimidation of media reporting on the "mistakes".

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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A large part of this lawlessness is rooted in nonnormative behavior. But! there are basic protections we could have right now if we demanded them. First and foremost: the Bivens Act; specifically, the right to bring suit in State court against Federal agents. Presidential pardons can't help these thugs in State persons.

Don't they all have qualified immunity nowadays?

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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> This post has been flagged and hidden, just demonstrating how much this country wants to pretend this isn't happening It’s so sad to see HN taking the side of violence and oppression with their “head in the sand” approach. I wonder how different the HN overlords would feel if their own families were being torn apart. This is Disgraceful and inexcusable. The shame. The only reason this is not currently flagged to ob…

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There are plenty of legal US citizens being abducted.

From TFA: US citizens, including women and children, were grabbed from their beds, marched outside without even a chance to dress, zip-tied, and loaded into vans.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Voting is what got us in to this. This is supported by a majority of the US. You do not live in the country you think you do.

A plurality of the people who voted went for Trump not a majority. He won 49.8% of the vote. When you include everyone who is eligible to vote he only got 31.8% of the total electorate. A large percentage of the electorate doesn't vote.

If you don't vote, you agree with the majority. Plain and simple! If you want to show your protest, go vote and explicitly vote with an invalid ballot or a third party. Don't give yourself the convenient "out" of staying home and then feeling like you're such a counterculture warrior for doing it.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

worse, here's the chicago ICE commander performing a nazi salute to taunt people and then pretending he was playing rock paper scissors when he saw he was being recorded. https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/comments/1os3ez6/greg_bovin...

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

I live in Oak Park, just outside Chicago (and adjacent to Broadview, where the major regional ICE detention center is). We have daily ICE sitings, and approximately every-other-day ICE detentions or arrests. It's a constant presence. What it means psychologically depends. If you're someone who could visually be mistaken (perhaps in bad faith) for a Latino, it's a very big problem. ICE/DHS routinely stops people based…

A big issue for people detained, even if they are citizens, is that it can take some time to be released, and when released you may not get your belongings back. That includes passport, phone, keys, cash, jewelry. The advice I am hearing is to avoid carrying around much if you are at risk.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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A news station producer was arrested by ICE and the agents peeled away ripping off someone's bumper[0][1] just for her to be released later without charges. 0: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/14/chicago-ice-... 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLGI2hMaz5Q

I would say that any U.S. citizen living in an area of focus who is even vaguely latino and/or does not speak English well should obtain a U.S. "passport card" and carry it on their person at all times, as a federally issued ID. It's $65 for the first application, and $30 at renewals. In this context, the passport card is much more valuable than a state-issued ID.

You know if your children should have them.

A real passport at home is also wise, in case these ruffians "lose" the card.

It is intolerable that U.S. citizens are detained in this way.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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> Agents with guns have chased a teacher into the school where she works The agents actually attempted to pull over Ms. Galeano’s vehicle, but the male driver (with Galeano in the passenger seat) refused to stop despite the sirens and lights. The agents pursued the car, which sped into a shopping center, and Ms. Galeano fled the vehicle and ran into a daycare, attempting to barricade herself inside. She didn’t get al…

> if a cop tries to pull you over

But it was not a cop but rather some masked lynch posse, right? If I am being chased by a gang of lawless terrorists, you can be sure as shit that not stopping is going to be a high priority. At least until I figure out a better plan.

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