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Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by rafram »

ozgung wrote: post #71
miroljub wrote: post #39

Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

As a Turkish person I used to agree with you. Not anymore. My people don't want to be associated with an ugly bird and I respect that. Also we don't want an exception. We're ready to use Bharat, Deutschland or any other name in our language if those nations want that. Same for the city names. It's about respecting those countries and their people. Fun fact: India is Hindistan in Turkish which literally means Land of…

India's main official name is India. Bharat (from Sanskrit) is coequal according to the constitution, and Hindustan (from Persian) is also sometimes used.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by 0xEF »

School-Cotton wrote: post #68
0xEF wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respect? If the people of that nation want their nation called something specific, cool. If they want to adopt/use the Anglicized version of their country's name, also cool. It's up to the people in that country, I guess. Plus, you know, gobble gobble.

> It's up to the people in that country, I guess No, it is not. How English is spoken is determined collectively by the community of English-speakers, not by the Turkish government. There is also the pretty major issue that native English speakers cannot even pronounce "Türkiye", nor easily type it. That's why use an English word for it, not a Turkish word -- because we speak English, not Turkish.

> There is also the pretty major issue that native English speakers cannot even pronounce "Türkiye", nor easily type it.

Skill issue. I don't speak Turkish either, but it takes all of two minutes to look up and learn the pronunciation and how to type an umlaut over a U with a simple alt code. I mean, come on. The Turkish government isn't asking everyone to convert to Islam and get to a conversational level with the language, just say their country's name how they think it should be said. If a nation can't even ask of the world to do such a simple thing without native English speakers getting bent out of shape over it, then it might be time for some serious self-reflection.

But hey, downvote away if it makes you feel any better.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

School-Cotton wrote: post #60
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they want to be known as Türkiye and have been actively requesting. The United Nations officially agreed to recognize the country's new name in 2022.

The UN does not have the power to determine how the English language is spoken and written.

They don't, and nobody's patrolling the Internet to smack people who say Turkey. But in many areas of the world, names of places can be intensely politicized, so organizations like the article source ("the energy dedicated portal that aims to deliver up-to-date news and analysis across the energy agenda in 20+ countries in Central and Southeastern Europe") prefer as a matter of style to conform to official pronouncements. If they'd been around in 2019, they would have talked a lot about "FYROM" or "the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia": an incredibly unwieldly name, one that has probably never been used colloquially, but was necessary in order to avoid taking sides between Greece and the country now known as North Macedonia.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by MentatOnMelange »

School-Cotton wrote: post #68
0xEF wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respect? If the people of that nation want their nation called something specific, cool. If they want to adopt/use the Anglicized version of their country's name, also cool. It's up to the people in that country, I guess. Plus, you know, gobble gobble.

> It's up to the people in that country, I guess No, it is not. How English is spoken is determined collectively by the community of English-speakers, not by the Turkish government. There is also the pretty major issue that native English speakers cannot even pronounce "Türkiye", nor easily type it. That's why use an English word for it, not a Turkish word -- because we speak English, not Turkish.

As a native english speaker, personally I have zero problem with this change. If the Turkish government was actually demanding other languages change the name that'd be weird, but its a request not a demand.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by miroljub »

School-Cotton wrote: post #49
jones89176 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Following an official letter submitted to the United Nations by the Republic of Türkiye, the country's name has been officially changed to Türkiye at the UN. UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said that a letter had been received on June 1 from the Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Cavuşoğlu addressed to Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, requesting the use of “Türkiye” instead of “Turkey” for all affairs." [1] "Foreign…

So what? The UN does not have the power to redefine what words mean in the English language, and neither does the Republic of Turkey. If Germany submitted an official letter somewhere purporting to change its English name to Deutschland, you should also not listen to them.

Exactly my point. And it doesn't apply only to English. There are 200+ languages and 8+ billion people in the world, and none of them is obliged to change the way they talk because someone doesn't like what a specific word means in one of those languages.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by miroljub »

xg15 wrote: post #79
miroljub wrote: post #39

Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

Not sure if it's a trend already that some countries are trying to exert more control over their own names, but I noticed the same with Belarus a few years ago. It used to be called "White Russia" in german, but at some point, the name vanished from both press articles and official publications and was replaced with Belarus. According to Wikipedia, there was a german government decision to change the official usage o…

Which is kind of funny, since Belarus means exactly Whiterussia.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by School-Cotton »

0xEF wrote: post #82
School-Cotton wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's up to the people in that country, I guess No, it is not. How English is spoken is determined collectively by the community of English-speakers, not by the Turkish government. There is also the pretty major issue that native English speakers cannot even pronounce "Türkiye", nor easily type it. That's why use an English word for it, not a Turkish word -- because we speak English, not Turkish.

> There is also the pretty major issue that native English speakers cannot even pronounce "Türkiye", nor easily type it. Skill issue. I don't speak Turkish either, but it takes all of two minutes to look up and learn the pronunciation and how to type an umlaut over a U with a simple alt code. I mean, come on. The Turkish government isn't asking everyone to convert to Islam and get to a conversational level with the l…

> I don't speak Turkish either, but it takes all of two minutes to look up and learn the pronunciation

I really doubt that you are pronouncing it correctly. The word Türkiye contains multiple sounds that don't exist in English.

If you don't actually speak Turkish, you are surely just using some Anglicized approximate pronunciation, and in that case, why not just use the actual English word?

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by miroljub »

csomar wrote: post #50
miroljub wrote: post #39

Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

I think they changed it in the UN or something. Theoretically their name never changed as most of their neighbors always called them Turkia.

Can you remind me which language is the official language of the country called UN? I'd like to pass a C1 UN-language test so I can apply for UN-citizenship.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by Bolwin »

miroljub wrote: post #39

Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

The diacritics are a bit annoying to type but if they've asked to be called Turkiye why not call them Turkiye?

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by theturtle »

beardyw wrote: post #72
jones89176 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Following an official letter submitted to the United Nations by the Republic of Türkiye, the country's name has been officially changed to Türkiye at the UN. UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said that a letter had been received on June 1 from the Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Cavuşoğlu addressed to Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, requesting the use of “Türkiye” instead of “Turkey” for all affairs." [1] "Foreign…

> help to disassociate the country’s image from the large bird of the same name. So easily done - what? You are going to roast a whole country? You are going on holiday in huge bird?

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