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Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Türkiye is a highly effective arms manufacturer and is pretty aligned with NATO most of the time. They've been one of the more surprisingly strong supporters of Ukraine. They shot down a Russian jet a few years ago just to emphasize FAFO. Yes they have their specific regional interests they will emphasize even when they offend NATO sensibilities, like giving Armenia the finger in their war with Azerbaijan, but that i…

"when they offend NATO sensibilities, like giving Armenia the finger in their war" Or when they support islamists in Syria against the kurds and annect illegally parts of it. Who cares about those things nowdays anyway. But if we want NATO to not just be a military force, but something something freedom and human rights, maybe we should care more about it.

Yes, this is what I mean. Should the US sacrifice the security of Europe to make a (pointless) statement about Syrian internal politics? Frankly, it's unreasonable for Turkey to not have an opinion about the PKK. If there was a comparable terror group in Mexico, the US would absolutely be doing airstrikes!

Punishing Turkey over this will accomplish nothing and sabotage the relationship. The US already had a reasonable plan in Syria, supporting the non-PKK elements while maneuvering towards a political reunification.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

Because we are born to be exceptional.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Allies shouldn't align with their block's primary geopolitical enemies...

I'd term it "theopolitical" more than "geopolitical"... which is both more ominous and closer to the truth IMHO. One particular dusty-book-infused worldview, for example, can cite an order of magnitude more xenophobic and violent passages directed towards specifically-named outsider-followers of certain other dusty-book-infused worldviews than all the others, for example.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

"Following an official letter submitted to the United Nations by the Republic of Türkiye, the country's name has been officially changed to Türkiye at the UN.

UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said that a letter had been received on June 1 from the Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Cavuşoğlu addressed to Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, requesting the use of “Türkiye” instead of “Turkey” for all affairs." [1]

"Foreign Minister Cavuşoğlu said in a tweet that the move would "increase our country's brand value".

The country’s English language public broadcaster TRT World said, the move would help to disassociate the country’s image from the large bird of the same name."[2]

[1] https://turkiye.un.org/en/184798-turkeys-name-changed-t%C3%B... [2] https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/turkey-or-turkiye-why-th...

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

It's because Erdogan is in charge and he's throwing his weight around because he knows he holds the cards on a number of geopolitical issues.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

NATO is a defensive alliance, not a trade organization.

Correct, and this is the latest in a serious of decisions made by Türkiye which imperil NATO's collective defense. Rare earths are vital for military equipment. This action is coming from a country that NATO has trusted with its best technology and they continue to flirt with both Russia and China, NATO's primary threats. Do you see how my comment is about the impact on NATO's ability to wage war? What if Türkiye beg…

I can only laugh at this statement. There are way many events where usa did act like an not trustworthy. Maybe you should start asking questions like “why my allies seeking external alliances, am I doing something wrong”

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

"Following an official letter submitted to the United Nations by the Republic of Türkiye, the country's name has been officially changed to Türkiye at the UN. UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said that a letter had been received on June 1 from the Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Cavuşoğlu addressed to Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, requesting the use of “Türkiye” instead of “Turkey” for all affairs." [1] "Foreign…

So what? The UN does not have the power to redefine what words mean in the English language, and neither does the Republic of Turkey. If Germany submitted an official letter somewhere purporting to change its English name to Deutschland, you should also not listen to them.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

I think they changed it in the UN or something. Theoretically their name never changed as most of their neighbors always called them Turkia.
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