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Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by ozgung »

miroljub wrote: post #39

Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

As a Turkish person I used to agree with you. Not anymore. My people don't want to be associated with an ugly bird and I respect that. Also we don't want an exception. We're ready to use Bharat, Deutschland or any other name in our language if those nations want that. Same for the city names. It's about respecting those countries and their people.

Fun fact: India is Hindistan in Turkish which literally means Land of Turkeys. Maybe we should really change. Bharat means spice which is a better name.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by beardyw »

jones89176 wrote: post #45
miroljub wrote: post #39

Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

"Following an official letter submitted to the United Nations by the Republic of Türkiye, the country's name has been officially changed to Türkiye at the UN. UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said that a letter had been received on June 1 from the Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Cavuşoğlu addressed to Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, requesting the use of “Türkiye” instead of “Turkey” for all affairs." [1] "Foreign…

> help to disassociate the country’s image from the large bird of the same name.

So easily done - what? You are going to roast a whole country? You are going on holiday in huge bird?

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by danhau »

argestes wrote: post #53
miroljub wrote: post #39

Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

Yeah, I'm from Turkey and it's really annoying for me to use a keyboard shortcuts to select "Türkiye" from dropdowns using year old "T", "U", "R" keys. Now in some websites it's "Turkey" and in some websites it's "Türkiye" I need to switch keyboard layouts just to select my country name. Even though, website doesn't let me use my actual name since my name has non ascii characters so I need to try many times.

This reminds me of my own struggles in locating my country in various dropdowns. Sometimes it‘s the trivial to find Austria, but sometimes Österreich under O and other times Österreich under Ö (sorted to the very bottom). Collation is fun!

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by big-and-small »

StephenSmith wrote: post #34

Every country has rare earth elements. Just google "X discovers rare earth" where X is your country of choice and you'll find articles about how they have huge deposits. The underlying problem is the processing. China has figured this out and has cornered the market. Until other countries figure out how to process these materials, China will be able to leverage this capability to their advantage.

It's have nothing to do with "figuring it out". Both mining and processing been figured out decades ago. But rare earth mining is disaster for ecology and western countries just don't want to pay the tall and deal with political consequences. Countries like China and Russia have advantage the they can do whatever they want without caring about protests or long term effects on population of regions where mining occurs.

There quite few talks on the topic, but you can check this one by Dr. Julie Klinger of University of Delaware:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGQeXrkCqM0

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by happytoexplain »

School-Cotton wrote: post #49
jones89176 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Following an official letter submitted to the United Nations by the Republic of Türkiye, the country's name has been officially changed to Türkiye at the UN. UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said that a letter had been received on June 1 from the Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Cavuşoğlu addressed to Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, requesting the use of “Türkiye” instead of “Turkey” for all affairs." [1] "Foreign…

So what? The UN does not have the power to redefine what words mean in the English language, and neither does the Republic of Turkey. If Germany submitted an official letter somewhere purporting to change its English name to Deutschland, you should also not listen to them.

Why the hostility? It's not like they changed the name of the Black Sea to the Sea of Turkey. It's not a "fuck you" move. Just keep spelling it the old way if you care for some reason.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by OutOfHere »

In the English language, we need to stop spelling Turkiye as Türkiye. Note that I did not revert to the old spelling of Turkey. English does not have ü as a character. We spell all other countries using the A-Za-z character set, and no exception should be made for Turkiye. It doesn't matter how they want it spelled. If tomorrow they want it spelled Ṫüřḳïýe or Ĵăƥȃn̈ or Ǥëŗṁāņẙ, we should not have to oblige.

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by xg15 »

miroljub wrote: post #39

Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

Not sure if it's a trend already that some countries are trying to exert more control over their own names, but I noticed the same with Belarus a few years ago. It used to be called "White Russia" in german, but at some point, the name vanished from both press articles and official publications and was replaced with Belarus. According to Wikipedia, there was a german government decision to change the official usage of the name, co-initiated by the Belarusian government. (This was before the war, so I assume the relations weren't yet as icy as they are today)

https://dgo-online.org/informieren/aktuelles/belarusisch-deu...

https://web.archive.org/web/20210924060241/https://geschicht... (in German)

Re: Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

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Post by OutOfHere »

ozgung wrote: post #71
miroljub wrote: post #39

Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English? I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia. So why make an exception for Turkey?

As a Turkish person I used to agree with you. Not anymore. My people don't want to be associated with an ugly bird and I respect that. Also we don't want an exception. We're ready to use Bharat, Deutschland or any other name in our language if those nations want that. Same for the city names. It's about respecting those countries and their people. Fun fact: India is Hindistan in Turkish which literally means Land of…

Turkiye is okay but Türkiye is not (in English).
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