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Post by ranadomo »

_kidlike wrote: post #231
adzm wrote: post #2

For those curious, the 24 official languages are Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish, and Swedish. Maltese, interestingly, is the only Afro-Asiatic derived language. Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian are the three Uralic languages. All the others ar…

In Greek we call our language Hellenic, and our country Hellas. "Greek" / "Greece" don't exist in the Hellenic language.

> Γραικοί, Graikoí were an ancient Hellenic tribe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graecians

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Post by whimsicalism »

dzikimarian wrote: post #234
alecco wrote: post #213

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He is 100% right on this one. From personal experience trying to figure out EU. Lawyer bureaucrats manage funds behind red tape clearly meant to be for their pals. All these while the EU is running out of funds and in a process of de-industrialization. There should be an independent corruption investigation on Brussels.

I took part in application for EU grants a few times and our company group did it many times over the years. It's bureaucracy, often bordering with stupidity. You may need advisors to navigate all their forms & processes. But it certainly isn't "pals-only" type of deal. On the other hand - is it harder than getting VC funding? For seasoned founder with reputation - probably. For fresh startup - probably not.

> For fresh startup - probably not.

highly doubt, the whole thing about the success of the US west coast is that they are&were willing to fund unproven upstarts.

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Post by lawlessone »

RobotToaster wrote: post #97
mikrl wrote: post #81

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As a Brit I feel very at home when hearing/reading Dutch and Frisian. It’s a reminder that England and the Low Countries share a lot of close history all the way back to Anglo-Saxon times; of being fishers, traders, burghers and mercenaries moving around the North Sea chasing opportunities, spreading and augmenting languages. “Brea, bûter en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk”

If you've ever read anything written in old English, it's a even closer to Dutch.

Before the Dutch arrived would it have been something like Welsh that was spoken in England?

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Post by layer8 »

nonethewiser wrote: post #222
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #205

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> The seven largest U.S. tech companies (...) are 20 times bigger than Europe’s seven largest, and generate 10 times more revenue. I'm going to guess that this part is intentional. Europe tends to be more aggressive in enforcing antitrust laws. Economically, Europe's goal isn't to have the biggest companies but to have more smaller companies. So you're not going to get companies like Google, but you will get companie…

>I'm going to guess that this part is intentional. Europe tends to be more aggressive in enforcing antitrust laws. Economically, Europe's goal isn't to have the biggest companies but to have more smaller companies. So is your hypothesis that the total market cap of EU tech companies is something like 50,60,70, etc. % of total US tech marketcap? Something significantly different than the ~10% implied by that figure (l…

European companies are smaller on average and less likely to go public in general, so market cap comparisons don’t show the whole picture. Growing big is less often seen as a goal than in the US. “Megacaps” aren’t necessarily considered a healthy thing to have.

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Post by ks2048 »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #175

From the EuroLLM-9B page on hugginface; >You need to agree to share your contact information to access this model Is this common? I've never seen it on the site before, and it isn't on the smaller model. What are they collecting this information for?

I'm not sure which models require this and why, but I've come across it. e.g. the llama models, https://huggingface.co/meta-llama/Llama-3.1-8B-Instruct

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Post by purrcat259 »

nxor wrote: post #60
purrcat259 wrote: post #16

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I read, write and speak Maltese, AMA if you are curious about the language.

How are loan words viewed? Do businesses work in Maltese? Are monolingual speakers of the language regarded differently than those fluent in English? Do young people in Malta listen to Maltese music?

Maltese has been loaded with loan words since forever. 5 points if you can guess where bonġu, bravu and mappa come from. At some point there was some literary council for the language that decided that any new loan words should just be spelled phonetically. Computer became kompjuter.

Businesses do work in Maltese and English. Both are official languages. Its quite rare to encounter a business that deals near exclusively in Maltese. Many prefer Maltese but will fall back to english where necessary.

Regarding monolignual speakers, I think theres a lot of stereotypes for maltese only, english only and code switchers. I think its all a bit silly... So as long as communication can happen I don't fuss.

On Maltese music... There's a lot of low ish quality music then there's a few absolute gems. Look up The Travellers, Lapes, Jon Mallia on YouTube/Spotify.

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Post by tensor »

kreetx wrote: post #174
tensor wrote: post #122

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The vast majority of US discoveries are by immigrants using taxpayer money. AKA scientists at universities. Your media likes to give credit to the companies, but generally the companies only apply things, they rarely create new science these days.

The above is not a discovery though. My experience with government funding is that they apply something and won't even try to sell it because selling is hard: you don't want to know that the thing you built is lacking nor that the competition is better. Especially the academic types don't. Yet I'm paying for these guys. Also, by funding the academics they won't even need to go to the job market.. But as I paid for th…

Much of the neural network work was funded by Canadian Universities, and commercialized by US companies. Even if you look just at the "Attention is all you need" paper, which is primarily by authors working at Google, most of those authors come from academia and are immigrants.

Vaswani is an Indian born computer scientist, Shazeer is US, Parmar was born in India, Uszkoreit was born in Germany, Jones was born in the UK, Gomez is British-Canadian, Kaiser is a Polish computer scientist, and Polosukhin is Ukrainian.

Almost all of these people have PhDs and Master degrees. The ROI on academia is vast for society, including European universities. The thing the US does well is capitalize on that education, and sadly also try to steal credit for it as "American exceptionalism." If Europe and other countries learn how to keep their academics and get them working in local industries, America's edge will evaporate overnight.

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Post by coolewurst3000 »

deaux wrote: post #140
whimsicalism wrote: post #104

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> When you talk to most EU business owners, even in tech, the limiting factor isn't regulations. This being the #1 reason is such a tired trope. Okay, what is the limiting factor? Because when I talk to EU business owners (admittedly, very few) - they point to lack of big EU capital markets, which is directly downstream of the policy environment. And when I talk to top EU human capital, they all point to the lack of…

> I think it is a complete misreading to point to protectionism as the reason for Chinese success, but having a big unified domestic market for consumers along with massive saving rates and capital controls probably does help. Capital controls are protectionist measures, but anyway, no. > Okay, what is the limiting factor? Let's look at which countries have a significant local software industry compared to population…

Spotify is Swedish. Uber is irrelevant in many places in the EU due to protectionism.

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Post by ks2048 »

dostick wrote: post #200

What good does it do by having only include formal languages? For example there’s no Russian, while there’s now at least 8 million ethnic Russians living in Europe.

From the paper:

As the aim of EuroLLM is to provide EU citizens with powerful and useful AI tools, it is critical that the model can also translate and answer questions in other European and non-European languages. With this in mind, we added support for 11 additional languages (Arabic, Catalan, Chinese, Galician, Hindi, Japanese, Korean, Norwegian, Russian, Turkish, and Ukrainian).

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