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Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by broken-kebab »

jrflowers wrote: post #150
bossyTeacher wrote: post #130

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>Attractive people in sexually fulfilling relationships still look at porn. How do you know those relationships are "sexually fulfilling"?

> How do you know those relationships are "sexually fulfilling"? You either believe what people report, the clearly-stated position on erotic material of the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists (1), or you can just imagine in your head what you think other people’s sex lives are like and just believe whatever you come up with. 1. https://www.aasect.org/our-mission.html

Self-reporting isn't something to be taken at face value. It's not a dichotomy between they say, and you imagine, there's a healthy scepticism option. Also the URL leads to "Our mission" section of some organization's rather clunky website, so if it was intentended as a proof, it failed.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by broken-kebab »

quantified wrote: post #14
cratermoon wrote: post #3

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What was predicted to be next: AGI What we got next: porn

Porn has driven everyday tech. Online payment systems, broadband adoption. Porn (visual and written erotic impression) has been a normal part of the human experience for thousands of years. Across different religions, cultures, technological capabilities. We're humans. There will always be a market for it, wherever there is a mismatch between desire for and access to sexual activity. Generate your own porn is definit…

>Porn (visual and written erotic impression) has been a normal part of the human experience for thousands of years.

You need to stretch 'porn', 'thousands if years', and certainly 'normal' definitions really hard to believe it. Even my granddad's (not thousands of years ago) exposure to porn was a one-time event when he served in army. My nephew's exposure is everyday. Which he realized to be an addiction at one point way stronger than nicotine.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by jrflowers »

broken-kebab wrote: post #191
jrflowers wrote: post #150

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> How do you know those relationships are "sexually fulfilling"? You either believe what people report, the clearly-stated position on erotic material of the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists (1), or you can just imagine in your head what you think other people’s sex lives are like and just believe whatever you come up with. 1. https://www.aasect.org/our-mission.html

Self-reporting isn't something to be taken at face value. It's not a dichotomy between they say, and you imagine, there's a healthy scepticism option. Also the URL leads to "Our mission" section of some organization's rather clunky website, so if it was intentended as a proof, it failed.

> It's not a dichotomy between they say, and you imagine

Buddy when it comes to strangers’ sex lives, those are pretty much the only two options.

I’m trying to figure out how “healthy scepticism” in this context means anything other than making something up in your head and then believing it. Do you mean that your imaginative process is really good?

> some organization's rather clunky website

Trying to figure out if “I don’t know what AASECT is and don’t like scrolling down a simple webpage” was meant to be a complaint or meant to be a brag.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by philipallstar »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #157
philipallstar wrote: post #156

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> If people cared about verified provable truths, religion of any kind wouldn’t exist. Can you provide a verified proof of this statement please?

Really? Everything about religion is fantasy and unprovable. Unless you believe that the earth is only 6500 years old, created in 7 days then a few centuries later someone built a boat that took two of each animal in the entire world to save them. Then fast forward to a man being born from a virgin that rose from the dead three days after being crucified.

You seem to be giving examples from one religion. I'm not sure that proves your statement.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by broken-kebab »

jrflowers wrote: post #193
broken-kebab wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self-reporting isn't something to be taken at face value. It's not a dichotomy between they say, and you imagine, there's a healthy scepticism option. Also the URL leads to "Our mission" section of some organization's rather clunky website, so if it was intentended as a proof, it failed.

> It's not a dichotomy between they say, and you imagine Buddy when it comes to strangers’ sex lives, those are pretty much the only two options. I’m trying to figure out how “healthy scepticism” in this context means anything other than making something up in your head and then believing it. Do you mean that your imaginative process is really good? > some organization's rather clunky website Trying to figure out if…

1. I'll explain, no worries! Here: the absence of verifiable source doesn't make unreliable one worthy of blind trust. So being healthy sceptical means you just don't pretend that matter is settled when it's not. In fact, it's encouraged for whatever science students to actively look for ways why self-reporting may bring invalid or distorted data, and make hypotheses stemming from that possibility.

2.I had no idea what AASECT is (still not sure if it a good source), and I think it puts me in a vastly bigger share of the world's population compared to those who know. And especially to those who believe that everybody knows.

3. This "Our mission" in itself is just that, you know, statement of their mission/values. I found neither proofs, nor farther links there. Maybe I couldn't find anything important because I'm inattentive or dumb. But I self-report as genius, and according to you theory, it must be accepted as truth.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by bossyTeacher »

broken-kebab wrote: post #196
jrflowers wrote: post #193

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> It's not a dichotomy between they say, and you imagine Buddy when it comes to strangers’ sex lives, those are pretty much the only two options. I’m trying to figure out how “healthy scepticism” in this context means anything other than making something up in your head and then believing it. Do you mean that your imaginative process is really good? > some organization's rather clunky website Trying to figure out if…

1. I'll explain, no worries! Here: the absence of verifiable source doesn't make unreliable one worthy of blind trust. So being healthy sceptical means you just don't pretend that matter is settled when it's not. In fact, it's encouraged for whatever science students to actively look for ways why self-reporting may bring invalid or distorted data, and make hypotheses stemming from that possibility. 2.I had no idea wh…

> the absence of verifiable source doesn't make unreliable one worthy of blind trust

Say it louder for those who skipped scientific reasoning classes.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by Eisenstein »

FloorEgg wrote: post #179
Eisenstein wrote: post #177

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Treating people like children is patronizing and I implore you to stop doing it.

You’re right, and I’m sorry. The way I phrased that was patronizing. It wasn't my intention, but I see now how it comes across. It seems to me like the attention economy's bias towards threatening novel news is pushing everyone into a negative, cynical, feedback loop, and I am trying clumsily to resist that. There are many real problems and many things seem to be going in the wrong direction, but I don't see how we a…

I don't think you need to apologize, but I will graciously accept it.

I feel your response was misguided because by framing it as my responsibility to see a future with some benefit and casting the refusal to do so under the current terms as a failure of character, you are doing the equivalent of saying to an bottom rung MLM seller that they just aren't trying hard enough.

If the system is skewed in such as way as to prevent the person from being able to gain in it, then making it their fault for not seeing a way through that makes you appear manipulative and tends to make your motives suspect.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by marshfarm »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #112
marshfarm wrote: post #100

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We're probably post-narrative and post-lexical (words) but haven't become aware of what to possibly update these tools with. Post-truth is an abstraction rooted in the arbitrary. Reality is specific. Actions, materials. Words and language are arbitrary, they're processes, and they're simulations. They don't reference things, they represent them in metaphors, so sure they have "meaning" but the meanings reduce the spe…

There is a reality which exists. Words have meaning. Words are more or less true as the meaning they convey conforms more or less well to the reality that exists. So no, truth is not rooted in the arbitrary. Quite the opposite. Or at least, words had meaning. As we become post-lexical, it becomes harder to tell how well any sequence of words corresponds to reality. This is post truth - not that there is no reality, b…

Words are merely wax fruit metaphors for meaning, they aren't meaningful in and of themselves. That's how dictionaries exist. Any reality understood from words is mere simulation.
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