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Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by jmkni »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #11

I'm more concerned about Sora (and video-generating AI in general) being the final pour that cements us into our post-truth world. People will be swayed by AI-generated videos while also being convinced real videos are AI. I'm kinda terrified of the future of politics.

For sure.

I consider myself pretty on the ball when it comes to following this stuff, and even I've been caught off guard by some videos, I've seen videos on Reddit I thought were real until I realised what subreddit I was on

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

marshfarm wrote: post #100
hombre_fatal wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that we're already post truth. Just consider how a screenshot of a tweet or made-up headline already spreads like a wildfire: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980221072512635117 Sora involves far more work than what is required to spread misinfo. Finally, people don't really care about the truth. They care about things that confirm their world view, or comfortable things. Or they dismiss things that are…

We're probably post-narrative and post-lexical (words) but haven't become aware of what to possibly update these tools with. Post-truth is an abstraction rooted in the arbitrary. Reality is specific. Actions, materials. Words and language are arbitrary, they're processes, and they're simulations. They don't reference things, they represent them in metaphors, so sure they have "meaning" but the meanings reduce the spe…

There is a reality which exists. Words have meaning. Words are more or less true as the meaning they convey conforms more or less well to the reality that exists. So no, truth is not rooted in the arbitrary. Quite the opposite.

Or at least, words had meaning. As we become post-lexical, it becomes harder to tell how well any sequence of words corresponds to reality. This is post truth - not that there is no reality, but that we no longer can judge the truth content of a statement. And that's a huge problem, both for our own thought life, and for society.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by micromacrofoot »

rchaud wrote: post #109
micromacrofoot wrote: post #85

OpenAI is steering significant amounts of traffic away from Google and ChatGPT is a fairly common name that extends beyond awareness of the company (or even what the word it means specifically). Not nearly on the level of "Kleenex" or "Google" as a term, but impressive given that other companies have spent decades trying to make a similar dent.

So what though? At best they will stuff it with ads like Google has done and become what is basically Bing w/ Copilot. That isn't going to pay back the $500 billion or however much they're trying to raise.

it means I highly doubt it's the "beginning of the end" as postulated... unless it's a very very long end

as another example: tesla has strung along a known overvaluation for a long time now and there's no end in sight despite a number of blunders

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by sofixa »

bonoboTP wrote: post #41
sofixa wrote: post #27

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> The way people dealt with it was witness testimony and physical evidence. Which are inapplicable today. > We will adjust Will we? Maybe years later... per event. It's finally now dawning on the majority of Britons that Brexit was a mistake they were lied about.

That has nothing to do with GenAI.

Yep, it's only made worse by it.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by kulahan »

righthand wrote: post #102
kulahan wrote: post #77

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This isn't even remotely true. In its current iteration, it's one of the best jumping-off points for getting up to speed on the basics of a new topic.

So is spam if you only need a summarized version of the financial difficulties of princes in Nigeria. Or the kinds of people doctors can’t stand. Your jumping off point is a cliff into a pile of leaves. It looks correct and comfy but will hurt your butt taking it for granted. You’re telling people to jump and saying “it’ll get better eventually just keep jumping and ignore the pain!”

Nope, spam is specifically unwanted. Also, I'm saying "jump in the leaves, it's fun if you don't try leaping in from a mile up" and you're saying "NO LEAVES KILL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME" lol.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by timschmidt »

JadeNB wrote: post #90
bonoboTP wrote: post #59

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I don't think the US was a monarchy for its first hundred years.

> > I can't see how functioning democracy can survive without truth as shared grounds of discussion. > I don't think the US was a monarchy for its first hundred years. Did the US not have truth as shared grounds of discussion for its first hundred years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism has been a thing for a very long time.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

port3000 wrote: post #91
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #12

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What signals have you seen that point to investment being predicated around AGI? Boosting Nvidia stock prices could also be explained by an expectation of increased inference usage by office workers which increases demands for GPUs and justifies datacenter buildouts. That's a much more "sober" outlook than AGI. In fact a fun thing to think about is what signals we could observe in markets that specifically call out A…

"Boosting Nvidia stock prices could also be explained by an expectation of increased inference usage by office workers which increases demands for GPUs and justifies datacenter buildouts" AI is already integrated into every single Google search, as well as Slack, Notion, Teams, Microsoft Office, Google Docs, Zoom, Google Meet, Figma, Hubspot, Zendesk, Freshdesk, Intercom, Basecamp, Evernote, Dropbox, Salesforce, Canv…

Integrations and inference costs aren't necessarily 1:1. Integrations can use more AI, reasoning models can cause token explosion, Jevons Paradox can drive more inference tokens, big businesses and government agencies (around the world, not just the US) can begin using more LLMs. I'm not sure integrations are that simple. A lot of integrations that I know of are very basic integrations.

> Oh and the ChatGPT consumer app is seeing slowing growth: https://techcrunch.com/2025/10/17/chatgpts-mobile-app-is-see...

While I haven't read the article yet, if this is true then yes this could be an indication of consumer app style inference (ChatGPT, Claude, etc) waning which will put more pressure on industrial/tool inference uses to buoy up costs.

Re: Is Sora the beginning of the end for OpenAI?

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Post by standardUser »

zerosizedweasle wrote: post #2

"Whether Sora lasts or not, however, is somewhat beside the point. What catches my attention most is that OpenAI released this app in the first place. It wasn’t that long ago that Sam Altman was still comparing the release of GPT-5 to the testing of the first atomic bomb , and many commentators took Dario Amodei at his word when he proclaimed 50% of white collar jobs might soon be automated by LLM-based tools." That'…

AGI is like L5 automated driving - academic concepts that have no bearing on the ability of these technologies to transform the economy.
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