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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by kossTKR »

bamboozled wrote: post #526
LightBug1 wrote: post #506

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I can understand why desperate people, whose land is increasingly stolen, whose rights are increasingly abused, and who cannot see their lives improve would turn (or be turned) to an organisation who would ultimately commit such abhorrent acts. There are a lot of examples of really bad stuff happening to groups of people over the centuries, very few of them have resorted to October 7 levels of horror. I'm not Jewish,…

The way you conflate upwards of 150.000 slaughtered civilians (numbers directly from Isreali military sources - who are being ethnically cleansed according to UN experts, with Hamas is sinister and beyond dark, especially when you also completely ignore 75 years of Israeli violence and occupation before october 7.

Yeah the over thirty thousand dead kids really shouldn't have "done" october 7, a response done by completely different people to decades of violence, it was so stupid of them.

This is vile and incredibly dehumanising if not straight up violently racist.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by rgblambda »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #531
rgblambda wrote: post #513

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The Taliban had very little overlap in membership with the Mujahedeen. They were their successors in the sense that they overthrew them. The Mujahedeen did not morph into or rebrand as the Taliban. In fact they became the Northern Alliance, opposed to the Taliban.

> Taliban had very little overlap in membership with the Mujahedeen Taliban didn't bomb America. Al Qaeda did. I believe bin Laden was in the Mujahideen.

Apologies, I thought you were referring to the Taliban.I've had previous conversations with people who had that misunderstanding.

Bin Laden claimed that neither he nor his specific group of Arab foreign fighters (which became the genesis of Al Qaeda) received funding from the US. Though the reality was that the US funded proxies which funded the Afghan Mujahedeen, so it's possible he may have indirectly benefited. Bin Laden was independently wealthy and largely self funded his group though.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by Braxton1980 »

notnaut wrote: post #458
just-the-wrk wrote: post #375

I think the most amazing part of the comments is how much the sentiment has changed over the last 2 years. Is anybody else noticing this?

Plausible deniability dried up as the blatantly skewed results of this “conflict” became impossible to ignore.

And Israel will still get away with it. There will be delays, complaints, but 10 years from now Israel will have Gaza and at best the Palestinians, reduced in number, will live in a small ghettos. At worst somewhere else or dead

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by protocolture »

mk89 wrote: post #303
potatototoo99 wrote: post #295

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If we were to believe Israel, why did they ban foreign media from Gaza? I'm sure the "most moral" army in the world has nothing to hide?

...if foreign media was banned from Gaza, how would you get your propaganda from Hamas now? How did Hamas get UK/Australia/Canada/France etc to recognise Palestine? Or do you think that Israel has control over every inch in Gaza...? The truth is that Israel from the media standpoint has lost this war already 2 years ago, on the 8th of October. The world was very sad for just 1 day. The moment Israel decided to go to…

>Everyone claiming Israel is the worst of the worst - just put yourselves in their shoes, and imagine for a moment that your friend/your husband/wife/baby/kids are still kept hostage by brutal people. Hostage. Not prisoner because they had done something. Hostage - grabbed in the night while sleeping or whatever.

Ok, so I have systematically erased a people, and colonised their land in full view of the worlds media. I built my community right up against the wall of their open air prison while ignoring their rights and supporting a blockade of their country. Heck, the foundations of their original homes are probably still somewhat visible in my back yard.

They fought back and took hostages and am sad now HOW DID THIS HAPPEN TO ME!!!!! I could have stayed in Europe and not built my house on land that people in the adjacent prison have a reaffirmed right to return to.

Pretending that zionist colonists are civilians instead of a militia is crazy. Talk about human shields. Building a farm on land cleared of palestinians less than 50 years ago, right next to where those palestinians are imprisoned, is the biggest case of FAFO you could possibly imagine.

Is it bad to kill unarmed people and take them hostage? Yes. Can I empathise with a single person living next to the imprisoned refugees whose land they occupy? Never.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by Braxton1980 »

jameshilliard wrote: post #282
slowturtle wrote: post #205

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Probably because Israel violated the ceasefire earlier this year (that was a sham from the beginning) that lasted from January to March. The first phase of the ceasefire saw an exchange of hostages, but then the Israelis refused to move on to the second phase and broke the ceasefire by bombing Gaza in the middle of the night, killing over 400 Palestinians in one day, including over 200 children. [0] Not to mention th…

> Probably because Israel violated the ceasefire earlier this year (that was a sham from the beginning) that lasted from January to March. The first phase of the ceasefire saw an exchange of hostages, but then the Israelis refused to move on to the second phase and broke the ceasefire by bombing Gaza in the middle of the night, killing over 400 Palestinians in one day, including over 200 children. Israel has been rat…

>I suppose when attempting to negotiate the surrender of Hamas if the negotiators refuse to surrender after having clearly lost a war they started then eliminating the current negotiators may result in their replacements being more likely to capitulate.

That's insane and not how you negotiate.

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Post by dirtikiti »

softwaredoug wrote: post #479

I've heard it said by eliminating all other avenues of Palestinian political expression, Netanyahu created modern Hamas. He undermined the two-state solution and Palestinian Authority. When you do this, you back people into a corner. There's no path to peacefully making progress on anything you care about. It also conveniently gives Netanyahu a boogeyman for his own political ends. You might argue the PA was corrupt,…

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by LightBug1 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #540
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> can understand why desperate people, whose land is increasingly stolen, whose rights are increasingly abused, and who cannot see their lives improve would turn (or be turned) to an organisation who would ultimately commit such abhorrent acts I can't. It doesn't work and makes you the bad guy. Even if just temporarily, that's enough for the other side to exploit. It's always been enough for the other side to exploit…

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by lern_too_spel »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #499
softwaredoug wrote: post #479

I've heard it said by eliminating all other avenues of Palestinian political expression, Netanyahu created modern Hamas. He undermined the two-state solution and Palestinian Authority. When you do this, you back people into a corner. There's no path to peacefully making progress on anything you care about. It also conveniently gives Netanyahu a boogeyman for his own political ends. You might argue the PA was corrupt,…

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> There Palestinians simply preferred hamas and terrorism over the PLO.... They need to commit to non violence between themselves before it's possible to commit to non violence with their enemies.

Hamas won 44% of the vote and then, as you noted, they murdered their political opposition. For this, everybody in Gaza should suffer both under a terrorist group running their lives and Israel bombing them?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dirtikiti wrote: post #556
softwaredoug wrote: post #479

I've heard it said by eliminating all other avenues of Palestinian political expression, Netanyahu created modern Hamas. He undermined the two-state solution and Palestinian Authority. When you do this, you back people into a corner. There's no path to peacefully making progress on anything you care about. It also conveniently gives Netanyahu a boogeyman for his own political ends. You might argue the PA was corrupt,…

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> You know, since its been on the table no less than 5 times, and each time the Arabs have rejected it... Even when Israel voted for it

Not doubting you--I'm still learning about this conflict--but source?

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by xdennis »

buyucu wrote: post #493
JamesAdir wrote: post #336

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Israel has killed more civilians in a year, than Hamas has in its entire existence. This was has been initiated by Israel invading Palestine.

The only reason more Israelis haven't died is because Israel builds bunkers and iron dome rockets to protect its civilians. Hamas builds tunnels to protect its rockets and hides among civilians.

You can't compare the death of people who are willing to release 1027 terrorists to get back just one solider to the death of people who are taught from kindergarten to kill and die for Allah. [1] Nobody criticizes Britain because it killed more Nazi civilians that the Nazis killed British civilians. Back then we understood that war is between good and evil, and we didn't take the side of evil.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DMCqrgaNR0

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