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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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I've heard it said by eliminating all other avenues of Palestinian political expression, Netanyahu created modern Hamas. He undermined the two-state solution and Palestinian Authority. When you do this, you back people into a corner. There's no path to peacefully making progress on anything you care about. It also conveniently gives Netanyahu a boogeyman for his own political ends. You might argue the PA was corrupt,…

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Do you really believe that this have anything to do with the hostages? They want the land, that's it. It could be done little by little or it could be done like now, when they have an excuse. But the end goal is the same. Do you think that what they are doing in the west-bank have anything to do with the hostages or Hamas?

> Do you really believe that this have anything to do with the hostages? To a significant degree, yes. If Hamas turned over the hostages today, Israel's position would significantly weaken. Palestinians' would strength. But so would Hamas', which is why they haven't.

Israel has rejected every peace offer from Hamas, including ones brokered by the US. They invited Hamas peace negotiators to Qatar and then bombed them. They have shown no indication that they are willing to agree to a peace deal in exchange for the hostages, it’s just a rationalization they use so that people like you can counter every anti-Israel argument with “well what about the hostages?”

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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It's wild to me how many people here use the "it's war, bad things happen" to justify the situation. Weird that it needs to be said, but this is why war crimes are a thing. Just because it's an armed conflict, doesn't mean anything goes.

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Israel has killed more civilians in a year, than Hamas has in its entire existence.

This was has been initiated by Israel invading Palestine.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Sent by whom? Also, the Israeli government cannot be trusted. Their whole strategy since 1948 has been about distracting the Palestinians with fake peace processes that were never meant to lead to anything. (see the book "The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine")

> Their whole strategy since 1948 has been about distracting the Palestinians with fake peace processes that were never meant to lead to anything Totally untrue. Israel unilaterally disengaged from Gaza in 2005 [1]. The current divides aren't as entrenched as the belligerents would have us believe. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the...

From the Wikipedia article you linked:

> Bernard Avishai states that the Gaza withdrawal was designed to obviate rather than facilitate peace negotiations [...]

> Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's senior adviser, Dov Weissglass, explained the meaning of Sharon's statement further: The significance of the disengagement plan is the freezing of the peace process, and when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state [...]

> Shimon Peres, then Vice Prime Minister, stated in an interview that: "We are disengaging from Gaza because of demography"

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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“Israel has built the most efficient starvation machine you can imagine.” There's political opposition to this within Israel. Here's what happened to an elected member of the Knesset who spoke out against the cruelty in Gaza.[1] He was forcibly removed from the podium of the Knesset. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzDxV7jnAos

The man speaking is Ayman Odeh [1], an Arab Israeli MK and chairman of Hadash, a left-wing Arab Israeli party. Arab Israelis and their political leaders are marginalized in Israeli society. Arab Israeli parties are largely considered illegitimate by a majority of Jewish Israelis. Political opposition to the starvation of Gaza is still marginal, especially in Jewish society. Protests in Arab cities against the starvat…

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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I've heard it said by eliminating all other avenues of Palestinian political expression, Netanyahu created modern Hamas. He undermined the two-state solution and Palestinian Authority. When you do this, you back people into a corner. There's no path to peacefully making progress on anything you care about. It also conveniently gives Netanyahu a boogeyman for his own political ends. You might argue the PA was corrupt,…

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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I've heard it said by eliminating all other avenues of Palestinian political expression, Netanyahu created modern Hamas. He undermined the two-state solution and Palestinian Authority. When you do this, you back people into a corner. There's no path to peacefully making progress on anything you care about. It also conveniently gives Netanyahu a boogeyman for his own political ends. You might argue the PA was corrupt,…

Calling the old PA-led status quo “far better” ignores how dysfunctional and destructive it was. The PA was given territory, money, and international legitimacy after Oslo, yet instead of building a transparent, functioning state, it became notorious for corruption, power struggles, and failing to deliver basic services. Worse, during that same period, suicide bombings and the Second Intifada erupted under its watch, so for ordinary Israelis, that “status quo” meant buses, cafes, and markets being blown up.

Even for Palestinians, the PA’s rule was hardly a path to peace or progress. Billions in foreign aid were stolen by elites, elections were canceled, dissent was crushed, and everyday life was marked by both authoritarianism and insecurity. So while today’s Hamas reality is undeniably worse, pretending the old PA era was some kind of lost golden path to peace overlooks that it was already a dead end for both peoples.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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I've heard it said by eliminating all other avenues of Palestinian political expression, Netanyahu created modern Hamas. He undermined the two-state solution and Palestinian Authority. When you do this, you back people into a corner. There's no path to peacefully making progress on anything you care about. It also conveniently gives Netanyahu a boogeyman for his own political ends. You might argue the PA was corrupt,…

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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I've heard it said by eliminating all other avenues of Palestinian political expression, Netanyahu created modern Hamas. He undermined the two-state solution and Palestinian Authority. When you do this, you back people into a corner. There's no path to peacefully making progress on anything you care about. It also conveniently gives Netanyahu a boogeyman for his own political ends. You might argue the PA was corrupt,…

The most recent episode of John Oliver goes further and says he actively funded Hamas to destabilise the area and cause problems for the PA.

Yep, Netanyahu used Hamas' existence as a political tool to divide Palestinians, weaken peace efforts, and maintain Israeli control.

He let Qatari cash find its way to Hamas.

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