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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by Der_Einzige »

hbcondo714 wrote: post #334
jamedjo wrote: post #332

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Twin studies are a classic demonstration of this: comparing identical twins to non-identical twins lets us prove a genetic component. https://www.open.edu/openlearn/mod/oucontent/view.php?id=669...

Thanks but this is only one study and they even conclude that some non-genetic factors may also contribute to causing autism There are many causes of autism. Research suggests that autism spectrum disorder (ASD) develops from a combination of: Genetic influences and Environmental influences, including social determinants Source: https://www.autismspeaks.org/what-causes-autism

Autism speaks is a spiritually evil organization and the fact that you unironically linked them implies that you wish to wage cognitive warfare against all autistic people. Autistic people will respond by making sure you reincarnate as a durian fruit.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #286
fooker wrote: post #280

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You could get a Nobel prize or two by proving this statement. How we pass on acquired traits to offspring is not well understood at all. We know there’s a mechanism, but not how it works or how selective it is.

So having rehabilitated the Luddites, HN is now moving on to Lysenko. Peachy.

The average health literacy of the HN crowd leaves me to believe that the median HN user is grossly overweight, among other things…

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Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

_mlbt wrote: post #83
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #79

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Yeah, it’s refreshing seeing someone not in Big Pharma’s pocket. Much better that he be in Big Wellness’s pocket which is an order of magnitude bigger, unregulated, and doesn’t need to provide evidence for their claims.

Is he in Big Wellness's pocket? I hadn't heard anything about that. Who's paying him off? He's a Kennedy with a net worth of about $15 million so he doesn't exactly need the money. He strikes me as an authentic true believer in his cause, but he could just be a really convincing con man, so I'd love to learn more about this. Please link to some credible sources showing that he's being paid off by someone.

Here’s a NYPost link, hardly a liberal rag (being owned by Rupert Murdoch).

https://nypost.com/2025/01/30/us-news/rfk-jr-in-cash-grab-to...

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by Der_Einzige »

ahtihn wrote: post #388
foxglacier wrote: post #301

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Nobody should have been trusting science to begin with. Maybe it will help to show science-believers that they should be more cautious.

What's the alternative? What should one trust instead?

No one. This world is radically subjective and all appearances are deceiving. Even solipsism doesn’t work because you can’t trust yourself!

We live in Cartesian radical subjectivity - and no cogito to save you from the evil demon.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

jimbob45 wrote: post #204
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #82

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Taking 1 gram every couple of hours does NOT seem entirely reasonable when the directions on every Tylenol bottle in the world say to take no more than 1g (2x500mg caps) every FOUR HOURS at most and no more than 4g per 24-hour period. Half the bottle is covered in ominous red warnings about liver damage. It’s like saying jumping on subway tracks when there’s no train is entirely reasonable when there are ample warnin…

Some of y’all have never worked a blue collar job in your lives and it shows.

Hmm, a bunch of high IQ people conclude that it’s dumb as hell to destroy your body for worse wages than coding. Who would have thought?

Why should we feel sorry for the skilled trades again? Mechanics are expert famous scammers worse than lawyer (grandma just replaced her blinker fluid!) That’s just one example. Leak detection companies are nearly all scammers too.

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Post by aradox66 »

sneak wrote: post #360
WalterBright wrote: post #218

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A friend of mine, Eric Engstrom, died of liver failure after taking (too much) Tylenol. Tylenol use over time can sneak up on you in the form of cumulative liver damage. No, I'm not a doctor and this isn't medical advice. Personally, a works-most-of-the-time treatment for headaches is going out for a walk. I don't know why it works, but it does.

You have to take a lot at one time, or chronic overdoses, to damage your liver. Taking the maximum daily recommended dose (4g per day, thereabouts, in 1g doses) every day for months on end is fine and won’t do any damage. I’m sorry about your friend but his experience is unrelated to the fact that using the medication as recommended, even long term, is not harmful in the least.

It's a common failure mode and most other OTCs won't kill you if you occasionally accidentally take an extra dose or two. Agreed that it's safe at the correct dose but the hazards are severe and dosing incorrectly is inevitable at population scale.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by ellisv »

azinman2 wrote: post #355
ellisv wrote: post #335

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It's important to note our understanding is far from complete. There may be more genes associated with autism than we currently know. So 30% of cases may have a known genetic factor but that doesn't mean 70% don't have a genetic component.

True. But we’ve also seen environmental correlations as well, as well as things like age of the father, etc.

This is also explained as a genetic factor as chromosomal abnormalities and replication errors are more frequent although cumulative environmental exposures may also play a role.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

fooker wrote: post #375
CamperBob2 wrote: post #286

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So having rehabilitated the Luddites, HN is now moving on to Lysenko. Peachy.

You not knowing something doesn’t make it not exist. https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/study-shows-how-effects-... https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4377509/ https://www.brown.edu/news/2016-12-12/famine

Confusing the effects of starvation with Lamarckian inheritance is a fundamental category error. If starvation affected every cell in your body except for the gametes, that would be worth investigating.

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Post by mikewarot »

This is about to cause a huge spike in child deaths due to Reye's syndrome. Parents will choose Aspirin to treat their child's fevers, despite warnings, because that's what they took as a kid, and it worked then.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reye_syndrome

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by foxglacier »

ahtihn wrote: post #388
foxglacier wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody should have been trusting science to begin with. Maybe it will help to show science-believers that they should be more cautious.

What's the alternative? What should one trust instead?

Evaluate risks and benefits as best you can, informed by whatever science seems to show. Life's complicated and nobody can provide simple correct instructions on the right way to do everything, or even anything. Public health messages are an attempt to do that but they're unreliable and sometimes intentionally misleading or wrong because their purpose is to influence people's behavior, not to be correct.
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