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Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by BJones12 »

crote wrote: post #33

Just one slight problem: Tylenol was introduced in 1955. Autism was first scientifically documented in 1926. If Tylenol causes autism, how did those parents in the 1920s get their hands on it? Also, wouldn't there been a clear link between Tylenol sales and the occurrence of autism? Where is the data showing that the adoption of Tylenol in the 1960s resulted in a rise in autism, and that the "rise" of autism in the 1…

> If Tylenol causes autism, how did those parents in the 1920s get their hands on it?

The claim is that Tylenol is a factor that increases the risk of autism. It is not the cause of 100% of all cases.

That said, the first synthesis of Paracetamol in the USA was Johns Hopkins in 1877, so maybe the answer is they went to Baltimore.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by johnisgood »

water-data-dude wrote: post #198
johnisgood wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We all know about opiates No, I do not think we do, because it causes none of the side-effects associated with NSAIDs, and it is even safer than acetaminophen, i.e. there is no risk of hepatotoxicity whatsoever. The only side-effect is euphoria. Please do not mention respiratory depression here, that is a non-issue, it matters as so much as liver failure matters with acetaminophen overdoses. Opiates are safer than…

"...the problem is with impure products and people misusing / abusing them." That second part "people misusing/abusing them" is a lot bigger than you're letting on. People can get hooked on opiates easily - a quick trip to Wikipedia turns up: "Long-term opioid use occurs in about 4% of people following their use for trauma or surgery-related pain" [1]. That's a pretty big knock-on effect! If you're prescribed opiates…

I do not disagree with that.

> if you have the right mix of brain chemistry and genetics, you might be screwed.

Right. I experience no euphoria whatsoever from any opiates (in any dose)[1]. Blessing or a curse? I personally call it a blessing because I have an addictive personality so I would get hooked up on it too. It works for my pain and my depression & anxiety, and for that I am grateful, all while not causing euphoria, all it seems to do is just mood stabilization, i.e. I am less likely to be emotionally volatile.

The constipation side-effect can really be frustrating though, but thankfully I can manage it through diet and skipping doses.

[1] It possibly has to do with my neuro{biology,chemistry} and my brain lesions but who knows. Psychiatric medications never affected me the way they typically affect others and I have gone through _a lot_. It might be genetic, metabolic (as well), I have no clue.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by BJones12 »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #87
_mlbt wrote: post #74

Why are doctors telling women that it's okay to take Tylenol during pregnancy in the first place? Everything they put in their bodies can have an effect on the baby so medication for pregnant mothers should be severely limited. Why haven't we learned from the Thalidomide scandal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal Tylenol only helps for minor aches and pains that frankly, pregnant mothers should just d…

> Why are doctors telling women that it's okay to take Tylenol during pregnancy in the first place? Untreated symptoms are also bad for the baby, and other OTC painkillers are worse than acetaminophen. You have to become informed and choose the least bad option for your situation (trimester, medical history, etc) rather than let a demagogue point your outrage at a random imperfect solution.

> Untreated symptoms are also bad for the baby

[Citation Needed]

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by jimbob45 »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #82
elric wrote: post #68

Was replying to a commented which was downvoted to death entirely unfairly, so I'll paste my reply as a new comment: Paracetamol/acetaminophen (the active ingredient in tylenol) is super toxic to the liver. Lots of people overdose on it, some by accident and some deliberately. As little as FOUR GRAMS can cause jaundice and fuck up your liver. If you have a fever, taking 1 gram every couple of hours might seem entirel…

Taking 1 gram every couple of hours does NOT seem entirely reasonable when the directions on every Tylenol bottle in the world say to take no more than 1g (2x500mg caps) every FOUR HOURS at most and no more than 4g per 24-hour period. Half the bottle is covered in ominous red warnings about liver damage. It’s like saying jumping on subway tracks when there’s no train is entirely reasonable when there are ample warnin…

Some of y’all have never worked a blue collar job in your lives and it shows.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by seattle_spring »

Gud wrote: post #156
zwnow wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Although I rarely take any form of painkiller, I've had headaches so bad I could barely exist. In those cases, pain killers were an important relief.

Yup. Anyone that flippant about "just a headache" definitely doesn't experience actual bad headaches themselves, and lacks empathy for those who do.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by binarymax »

daveoc64 wrote: post #80

I'm always surprised at the hostility to Acetaminophen on HN (or Paracetamol as we call it here in the UK). It's one of the most commonly used medicines in the UK - and certainly the most popular painkiller. YouGov even did a survey confirming that - https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/docume... The safety aspects of it are not something that gets raised in the UK much - other than suicide attempts,…

It’s the most popular in the UK because that’s what NHS GPs tell you to take for absolutely everything.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #194
happytoexplain wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think people who take a painkiller for chronic pain generally don't report it to their doctor?

1. A lot of people won't go to a doctor in the united states 2. They may be so used to pain they don't think to mention it. 3. A lot of people lie to their doctors for one reason or another.

In the US there’s also deep religious influence that paints suffering as virtue that’s been exploited by capitalists to establish a norm of pushing through the pain and continuing to work instead of taking a break to figure out what the root cause is and address it. Some also just don’t have a choice, because taking time off means not getting paid which means losing a roof over their head.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by 1shooner »

devwastaken wrote: post #183
kosma wrote: post #164

There is research correlating autism and mothers taking certain medications (painkillers, antidepressants). Since autism is hereditary, there is a significant chance that these mothers are autistic too. Autistic people have a vastly high risk of depression, and often have unusual pain thresholds, requiring more painkillers. I would not be surprised of the correlation was real, but the direction of action was reversed…

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> the industrial revolution has corrupted the human genome far more than we can measure.

Ok, but do you have any objective measure to back up this claim?

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by jrockway »

giveita wrote: post #65
rendall wrote: post #44

Well, time to pick up Tylenol shares on the dip.

Maybe? Looks like it hasn't performed well over 5 years. I'd still rather hold something that I wanna hold for a long time.

Johnson & Johnson split off their consumer pharmaceuticals into a new company (Kenvue) in 2023, so there isn't 5 years of stock price data.
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