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Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by ekianjo »

crote wrote: post #32
ekianjo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We don't know what causes autism so everything is suspect. Obviously what goes into your body should be suspected first, whether it's food, pollutants, or medical interventions.

Why? Should we first suspect carrots of making people grow red hair, suspect eggs of causing pregnancy, and suspect Left Twix of causing left-handedness? We don't know the cause of autism. We do know that autism has a heritable component, with significant rates of both siblings having it (which could be explained by environmental factors) and both parent and child having it (which cannot be explained by environmental…

You don't get a 100x increase in a lifetime by using a genetic explanation, sorry

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by ekianjo »

kashunstva wrote: post #39
ekianjo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that's how I know it isn't. Until you have a controlled study on pregnant women who use and don't use the drug, you won't really know for sure.

> Until you have a controlled study on pregnant women I wouldn’t look for a prospective randomized controlled trial of this anytime soon. Hard to imagine an IRB approving such a study. Observational studies do suggest a small but statistically significant association between acetaminophen use in pregnancy and ASD, but the relative risk increase is small, because both the effect size and baseline risk are small.

Isn't the baseline risk for autism 1 in 30 presently?

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by sandworm101 »

Coorelation does not mean causation.

I remember an old study linking ultrasounds to lefthandedness. It was legit. Families with access to ultrasounds lived in countries/areas where lefthandedness was more culturally accepted, places where it was not drilled out of kids. The study was correct, but anyone touting it as causation was totally incorrect.

Fyi, sharks are way more likely to attack people with australian accents. Never go swimming with an auzzi.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by jgalt212 »

The entire medical community is doing their impression of Shaggy, i.e. "it wasn't me!" But there are thousands of suffering parents and children and this lack of empathy really does nothing for no one. Another hand-wavy response I have heard is that given the new Autism Spectrum diagnosis, many more kids are now diagnosed with autism. That being said, none has even come up with a reasonably derived estimate saying that of the 5X increase in autism over the last 25 years, we can confidently say that nX of this is due to changing diagnosis standards. And if n is anything less than 5, the medical community has work to do in solving this problem and not passing the blame and accusing suffering parents of being crazy.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by theoreticalmal »

sandworm101 wrote: post #43

Coorelation does not mean causation. I remember an old study linking ultrasounds to lefthandedness. It was legit. Families with access to ultrasounds lived in countries/areas where lefthandedness was more culturally accepted, places where it was not drilled out of kids. The study was correct, but anyone touting it as causation was totally incorrect. Fyi, sharks are way more likely to attack people with australian acc…

I had an ultrasound and I’m left handed. I finally know why!

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Post by stefan_ »

jgalt212 wrote: post #46

The entire medical community is doing their impression of Shaggy, i.e. "it wasn't me!" But there are thousands of suffering parents and children and this lack of empathy really does nothing for no one. Another hand-wavy response I have heard is that given the new Autism Spectrum diagnosis, many more kids are now diagnosed with autism. That being said, none has even come up with a reasonably derived estimate saying th…

So we do the tried and true solution of listening to the deranged quack?

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Post by adamors »

sandworm101 wrote: post #43

Coorelation does not mean causation. I remember an old study linking ultrasounds to lefthandedness. It was legit. Families with access to ultrasounds lived in countries/areas where lefthandedness was more culturally accepted, places where it was not drilled out of kids. The study was correct, but anyone touting it as causation was totally incorrect. Fyi, sharks are way more likely to attack people with australian acc…

You shoudln’t even be entertaining this lunacy with any response. Anything coming out of the RFK jr health department is batshit.
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