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Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by zosima »

permo-w wrote: post #468
zosima wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is non-factual? We have another token legislation from EU forbidding private parties to most anything, and carefully inserting loopholes for authorities and government to do as they please. True, the restrictions on live facial recognition is a bit more severe for law enforcement than usual. But: A. It's not something most people here care about a lot. Law enforcement are still allowed to use AI to create a file…

>forbidding private parties to most anything well thank fuck for that! besides financial self-interest, why would you want private parties doing anything with AI and biometrics whatsoever? if anyone is to at all, it should be publicly accountable bodies that aren't operating based on a profit motive, but really it should be none at all ! >It gives them political points, because now people less-in-the-know will think…

I don't get this attitude. Private parties are me and you. I have many interests and ideas, and now many of those have been forbidden for no discernible reason, while the government is still allowed to spy on us to their hearts content.

I can't really begin to fathom how this is good.

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Post by hyperbolablabla »

fastball wrote: post #303

The UK has been a surveillance state for a long time. I've been the victim of property crime 4x in the UK, and 3 of those times the entire thing was caught on multiple CCTVs. But that didn't help me get my stuff back or prosecute criminals. The one time I did get my computer back was when the police raided a stash house (due to an anonymous tip, not surveillance) and found a treasure trove of stolen electronics, whic…

I was robbed at knifepoint on Oxford Street at about 3am while drunk, and let me say, there had to have been about 100 cameras pointed in my direction at the time of the mugging. Despite all this, the police told me nothing could be done because they were unable to acquire any useful footage at the time of the robbery. I lost a lot of faith in the Met after this incident, or that mass CCTV was even really that useful in getting a prosecution.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by seabass-labrax »

teamonkey wrote: post #443
skeezyboy wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Realistically, CCTV probably will help catching and prosecuting the people who invaded your home. not if the police cant be bothered to investigate. they dont bother with anything non-violent.

Not true. If the CCTV gives a clear and obvious result they will pursue it. If there’s a string of thefts they will investigate and use the CCTV to provide evidence. CCTV won’t always provide that but sometimes it does. What they won’t do is send Columbo to track down your laptop, because your laptop is worth a few minutes of police time at best, and by the time you report it it’s already been fenced and there is alm…

> They should prioritise violent crime.

I just want to point out that theft can be violent. In England and Wales, burglary is considered to be a more severe crime if house was occupied, due to the psychological effects on the victims.

The famous 'phone-snatching' can hardly be considered non-violent either, given that it requires physical contact and is almost guaranteed to produce fear in the victim. (I don't personally know how it has been prosecuted - if at all - in the past though.)

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Post by octopoc »

skeezyboy wrote: post #412
Freedom5093 wrote: post #332

This would lead to a rise in doctors and accountants wearing the combo of Canada goose jacket, balaclava and man-sling-bag in summer.

[flagged]

Because they're English, presumably. Homelands aren't interchangeable cogs anymore than people are.

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Post by Bender »

Who needs the vans when one has Tesla's roaming the streets and parked in random places? Those things have a myriad of cameras. What stops Telsa from providing access to (insert highest paying agencies and/or companies)? Surely by now some other modern cars have followed this pattern. There's even a camera pointed at the drivers face. It's only a matter of time before they have fast uplinks to Starlink. I have to assume the car could do some local AI to minimize uploading noise and only upload the interesting bits.

    telsa> give me the location and names of everyone currently picking their nose, lol.

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Post by arrowsmith »

joenot443 wrote: post #440
KnuthIsGod wrote: post #370

So when China did this, this was criticised. When the UK do it... Double standards are wonderful.

All of my acquaintances from the UK have had really critical things to say about their present government and _especially_ about the OSA and surveillance state stuff.

I campaigned in the recent council elections (we lost) and knocked on hundreds of doors in my area, speaking to people of all demographics about politics.

I can't exaggerate the collective despair that I witnessed. Young or old, black or white, Labour or Tory, every single person I spoke to without exception had something negative to say about the state of the country. No matter what their politics, no-one was optimistic, and why would they be?

In recent weeks we've seeing unprecedented protests against migrant hotels, but opposition to immigration is just part of the picture. Brits are giving up on normal politics in ways I wouldn't have imagined even two years ago.

Dark times are ahead.

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Post by extraisland »

arrowsmith wrote: post #476
la_mezcla wrote: post #194

Isn't UK a democracy? Why then have the people not rejected the initiative? Ah, right - they haven't even been asked.

Tony Blair's biggest legacy was to take power out of Parliament and spread it wafer-thin over a byzantine network of quangos, courts, public sector bodies and Whitehall bureaucracies to ensure that no matter who you vote for, nothing ever changes.

This is often not understood by many people who simply say "well you should vote harder" or "we need system of voting".

The government structure seems to be setup in such a way that any meaningful change is rejected.

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Post by youngtaff »

bboygravity wrote: post #462
lemoncookiechip wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things? Over the last hundred years, violent crime has droped sharply worldwide. Over the last twenty years, it has fallen alot in developed countries such as Western Europe, North America, Japan and South Korea. In the United Kingdom, both violent and property crime have gone down in the past two decades. The main exception is fraud, scams and cyber…

Yeah, I mean if the UK is covering up and not counting 1000's of underaged girls being raped (with some police literally participating in the rape) the statistics are bound to look better than they are in reality. Having said that, I don't think the surveillance state they're setting up even has the intent to change any of that.

I wouldn’t believe everything you read in the Daily Mail or that comes out of Farage or Yaxley-Lennon‘s mouth

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Post by liampulles »

Is there a public conversation in European countries about the value of liberty? I don't mean arguments about how liberty can lead to more economic prosperity, I mean how liberty is valuable on its own terms.

Without this value, the state can continue to erect legislation in the name of "safety", or any other perceived inequity in society, until you can no longer move.

How perverse that English law used to be a bastion of civil liberty protections. Here's a great scene from A Man For All Seasons that shows what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBiLT3LASk

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