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I've encountered this exact behaviour with teenagers both white and of colour. I am also an immigrant in the UK (racially white).
Okay. So how do you determine who is wrong?
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#402The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?
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The same way you do in monoculturalism, so that's a meaningless distinction. If the families did not impart these values to children from a young age, the "owner" of a space advertises and enforces the rules. In this particular case the coach company should have had clear rules displayed in the coach (at least the basic and generic ones) and the driver should have enforced them at least on demand. Follow the rules or…
Monocultures don't need explicit laws to regulate things, so it's not the same.
Your libertarian argument works in theory, but the reality is much harder when you can't rely on a shared culture.
Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England
#404The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?
No it hasn’t become so dangerous and surveillance doesn’t help. Neither cameras nor real-name accounts actually helped to prevent crimes. Same with databases, lists or other surveillance tools. Many criminals who committed terrorism were known to the police before and they chose not to act or processes were not in place. All it does is lead to less freedom and security. The government itself is the security threat. T…
> Many criminals who committed terrorism were known to the police before and they chose not to act or processes were not in place
In the case of the UK they've often also been operating in collusion with state forces, see: Northern Ireland.
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#406The UK has been a surveillance state for a long time. I've been the victim of property crime 4x in the UK, and 3 of those times the entire thing was caught on multiple CCTVs. But that didn't help me get my stuff back or prosecute criminals. The one time I did get my computer back was when the police raided a stash house (due to an anonymous tip, not surveillance) and found a treasure trove of stolen electronics, whic…
Realistically, CCTV probably will help catching and prosecuting the people who invaded your home.
But CCTV doesn’t act as a deterrent like a bobby on the street would. And because there’s a lack of visibility of criminals being caught, it just feels like the police are doing nothing.
If they’re caught down the line it’s unlikely you’d hear about it anyway. The police can’t tell you without it being proven in court unless essentially caught red-handed, and even if proven successfully that could be months or even years away.
Unfortunately, it’s impractical for them to track down your stolen items without investing much more time than the value of those goods (though I would rather they did that than, say, arrest hundreds of peaceful protestors).
This isn’t unique to the UK; my house was raided when I lived in another country and the police attitude was only to record the theft and assume it was gone for good. It really hurts and makes you feel unsafe but I doubt the police force in any major city in any country will spend time looking for stolen goods after a break-in.
(I’m not saying that the surveillance aspect isn’t a very real problem.)
Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England
#407The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?
> The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. they always had been or at least tried, for decades by now, the only thing which had been holding them back was the EU frequently being like "no wtf UK, that is against human rights, EU law, etc." > Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things? no, and it also has a long track record of not onl…
EU is on exactly the same road, just with a (tiny) delay.
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#408i mean, they do fuck all anyway so its a moot point
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> EU frequently being like "no wtf UK, that is against human rights, EU law, etc." And yet they are still pushing [0] [0] https://edri.org/our-work/despite-warning-from-lawyers-eu-go...
It's almost like huge organizations built off the backs of many different parties working in tandem, will at times have contradictory aims.
In that case it would be nice to see any effort from EU against government surveillance.
Sure GDPR and what not, but they're full of loopholes for allowing government to do what private parties are not.
Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England
#410The UK has been a surveillance state for a long time. I've been the victim of property crime 4x in the UK, and 3 of those times the entire thing was caught on multiple CCTVs. But that didn't help me get my stuff back or prosecute criminals. The one time I did get my computer back was when the police raided a stash house (due to an anonymous tip, not surveillance) and found a treasure trove of stolen electronics, whic…
Realistically, CCTV probably will help catching and prosecuting the people who invaded your home. But CCTV doesn’t act as a deterrent like a bobby on the street would. And because there’s a lack of visibility of criminals being caught, it just feels like the police are doing nothing. If they’re caught down the line it’s unlikely you’d hear about it anyway. The police can’t tell you without it being proven in court un…
>Realistically, CCTV probably will help catching and prosecuting the people who invaded your home.
not if the police cant be bothered to investigate. they dont bother with anything non-violent.