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Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by rock_artist »

Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

> Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

Rather than dangeours, society became dumber in a sense. overload of data resulted attemps to summarize or even make anything binary (I'm Pro X or Anti X).

(the text below is opinionated so please be forgiving :) )

I can name multiple countries (as I'm coming from one) that makes more "reforms" that has or will hurt human rights. (and we're still talking only on the "western world" which suppose to aim for freedom and human rights).

Coming from such a complex place in the world, I sadly say, that looking at stages in my life, I can easily remember the "good'ol'days" where there was one horrible thing, but I didn't know it can get worse.

I do hope society (and brits in the context of the above), will find the right balance to make a balance between feeling secured and invading privacy.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by antonymy »

You need photo ID to verify your age to access "adult content" (which definition is ever-expanding outside the boundaries of smut) and now police begin using this new pool of facial data to surveil the public en masse.

They didn't even wait half a year to show their hand. That's how confident they are.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by bayindirh »

Roark66 wrote: post #433

The moment the Brexit referendum results were in I knew exactly where this will lead... I wish I was wrong.

Whole world is reeling in the same direction quite briskly, I may say. So, Brexit or not, this would have happened.

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Post by PicassoCTs »

You can get a feeling of the scope of the crisis to come, on just how much government is ready to clamp down and trying to preserve "civilization" through surveillance. Even if western liberal society vanishing in the process makes that protection measure in relation to the protection goal is dizzying.

And encoded in all that ruckus is a uncomfortable truth! This is as far as we will go! There is no miracle tech on the horizon, that can be handed out to the masses, bribing all of us with a 60s like surplus to be peaceful. Instead its panopticon or bust!

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by bayindirh »

This might be a hot take, but watching countries from pointing fingers and lecturing others about democracy to adopting the same tactics and use the cutting edge technology they have rambled about is both interesting and sobering.

We're all human, we're all the same.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by ethan_smith »

Mobile facial recognition systems suffer from significantly reduced accuracy compared to fixed installations due to variable lighting, angles, vibration, and lower-quality optics - making these vans likely less effective than the existing CCTV network.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by HKH2 »

sReinwald wrote: post #427
HKH2 wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Culture and race are not the same thing. Rephrased for you: If there is no dominant culture, how do you resolve conflicts like that?

> Culture and race are not the same thing. I don't remember bringing up race. Another interesting leap. But please do elaborate on what sort of 'dominant culture' you're longing for and what sort of policies you'd love to see to (re-)establish that 'dominant culture' to resolve the incredibly new phenomenon of teenagers being rude and rebelling against social norms. Come on, don't be a coward and just drop the dogwhi…

Sorry, I thought you were dogwhistling.

A dominant culture means a step back from individualist values. The most effective 'policies' are created through communities not through law. We cannot rely only on the law for a healthy society; it is necessary but not sufficient.

Rebelling against cultural norms is not the problem. The problem is when people escalate quickly because of it and threaten others. That means the gaps between cultures/subcultures have gotten too big.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by permo-w »

zosima wrote: post #407
dathinab wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. they always had been or at least tried, for decades by now, the only thing which had been holding them back was the EU frequently being like "no wtf UK, that is against human rights, EU law, etc." > Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things? no, and it also has a long track record of not onl…

EU is on exactly the same road, just with a (tiny) delay.

except no, the EU has specifically outlawed facial recognition in public places

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by joenot443 »

KnuthIsGod wrote: post #370

So when China did this, this was criticised. When the UK do it... Double standards are wonderful.

All of my acquaintances from the UK have had really critical things to say about their present government and _especially_ about the OSA and surveillance state stuff.
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