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Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by the_af »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #42
0x5FC3 wrote: post #3

We all hate adverts, some of us don't like or can't pay. Those who pay, have access to a few publications they enjoy. It would be absurd to pay for all the publications, all the streaming services, but we don't want monopolies either. What could be a solution for this madness?

ABP, the original uBlock Origin, saw the writing on the wall a decade ago or whenever and tried to mediate a truce between users and advertisers. ABP would allow through ads that weren't egregious, and users could provide compensation for content they consumed. People however either can't read or can't comprehend the writing on the wall, so instead they rioted against ABP and moved to uBlock Origin. I know there are…

"Greedy end users"? WTF.

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by rckt »

toader wrote: post #148
rckt wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit different in practice with media. You can hear/read/see it anywhere. You can read someone's newspaper in the public transport or listen to a song in a cafeteria or watch something at your friend's house. Yes, somebody paid for it anyway, but there's no way to control the following spread of it.

Sure, if you hear or see something in a public space, but don't you agree that deliberately bypassing their means of protecting their IP is theft?

It's debatable in every aspect. Internet - is partly public, so it's not something they couldn't expect - that somebody will try to read their articles avoiding the paywall. I personally support on a monthly basis the media that I definitely want to exist. The others... well, they also probably have their audience. I don;t know the economy of the whole thing, but probably in the end everyone gets their audience/support group.

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by mrkramer »

gschizas wrote: post #119
mrkramer wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, micropayments but people can't keep up with dozens subscriptions. Someone will figure out micropayments sooner or later.

I mean, Jakob Nielsen has been advocating for them since last century: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/the-case-for-micropayments/

He was ahead of his time.

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by OldfieldFund »

beejiu wrote: post #18
strongpigeon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think (in the case of 12ft) they were just impersonating Googlebot.

That's surprising because Googlebot publishes IP ranges for its crawlers and it's fairly simple to block fake crawlers these days (super easy through Cloudflare, for example).

this shouldn't work due to reverse DNS checks

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

#155

Post by toader »

rckt wrote: post #152
toader wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, if you hear or see something in a public space, but don't you agree that deliberately bypassing their means of protecting their IP is theft?

It's debatable in every aspect. Internet - is partly public, so it's not something they couldn't expect - that somebody will try to read their articles avoiding the paywall. I personally support on a monthly basis the media that I definitely want to exist. The others... well, they also probably have their audience. I don;t know the economy of the whole thing, but probably in the end everyone gets their audience/suppo…

> "It's debatable in every aspect" -- A business creates a product. They offer the product to consumers for a price. If you take the product without paying, you are stealing. Seems straightforward to me.

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by rckt »

toader wrote: post #155
rckt wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's debatable in every aspect. Internet - is partly public, so it's not something they couldn't expect - that somebody will try to read their articles avoiding the paywall. I personally support on a monthly basis the media that I definitely want to exist. The others... well, they also probably have their audience. I don;t know the economy of the whole thing, but probably in the end everyone gets their audience/suppo…

> "It's debatable in every aspect" -- A business creates a product. They offer the product to consumers for a price. If you take the product without paying, you are stealing. Seems straightforward to me.

If it’s a tool or something similar, yeah. Information is something you have very limited control over in public space. I guess it’s more a question of the business model rather than considering this stealing or not. The whole art domain is based on stealing and recycling.

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

#157

Post by AlexeyBelov »

toader wrote: post #143
floppiplopp wrote: post #118

Now I'm going to steal even harder from the corpos.

So you value their content but plan to continue stealing it and jeopardize their ability to remain financially solvent?

It's cringy how you are in every thread of this submission using the lamest arguments from decades ago. "Stealing" lmao.

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

#158

Post by AlexeyBelov »

toader wrote: post #138
spicyusername wrote: post #124

Serious question: How do we expect reporters and journalists to be funded if nobody pays? I'm reading a book about the Watergate scandal, "All the president's men", and one thing I keep wondering is how these journalists would get paid today in the absence of newspaper revenue. Paywalls are annoying but good journalism isn't free...

Exactly. Why this is such a difficult concept to grasp? They create a product, set a price, you choose to subscribe or not. If you created licensed software and someone pirated it, are you agreeable to that?

Piracy is the reality of life. You can't really "turn if off", so as a company you have to plan with that in mind.

Bringing up morality or whatever is a complete non sequitur.

Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by [deleted] »

AlexeyBelov wrote: post #157
toader wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you value their content but plan to continue stealing it and jeopardize their ability to remain financially solvent?

It's cringy how you are in every thread of this submission using the lamest arguments from decades ago. "Stealing" lmao.

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Re: 12ft.io Taken Down

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Post by [deleted] »

rckt wrote: post #156
toader wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "It's debatable in every aspect" -- A business creates a product. They offer the product to consumers for a price. If you take the product without paying, you are stealing. Seems straightforward to me.

If it’s a tool or something similar, yeah. Information is something you have very limited control over in public space. I guess it’s more a question of the business model rather than considering this stealing or not. The whole art domain is based on stealing and recycling.

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